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Thread: Suella Braverman.

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    It’s clearly a Tory agenda to have a ‘nasty b*tch’ Home Secretary. They designed Priti Patel in a similar way. Tactically upset some but create a divide.

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    It would have been quite straightforward to acknowledge the right to peaceful protest, make the rules clear on incitement and leave Armistice Day out of the narrative except perhaps to highlight the areas & time of day that the commemorations will be held. Instead she has lit the blue touch paper and I fear there will be considerable disorder with the numbers that will now come to cause trouble.

    She of course will be safe and warm, but rest assured Mark Rowley will be held accountable - she's vile.

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    I will be amazed if there isn’t trouble, no matter what the intentions of the organisers of the Palestinian march, one can guarantee that there will be troublemakers in there. I would have some respect for those pro-Palestinian marchers if they respected Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday but they clearly don’t; the marches should be prohibited. I also suspect that the vast majority of the British public agree with Suella Braverman regarding the banning of the marches but the media (well, most of it), especially the TV companies, don’t care much for popular opinion, they know best. We live in strange, rather worrying times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kettering_baggie View Post
    I will be amazed if there isn’t trouble, no matter what the intentions of the organisers of the Palestinian march, one can guarantee that there will be troublemakers in there. I would have some respect for those pro-Palestinian marchers if they respected Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday but they clearly don’t; the marches should be prohibited. I also suspect that the vast majority of the British public agree with Suella Braverman regarding the banning of the marches but the media (well, most of it), especially the TV companies, don’t care much for popular opinion, they know best. We live in strange, rather worrying times.
    Especially the BBC. Kettering!

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    Whatever anyone's political persuasion I find it difficult to imagine Suella Braverman as a Buddhist, all be it as a member of a sect of Buddhism shrouded in historical controversies (so maybe not difficult to imagine after all).

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    One thing about all of this is that it gives the extreme elements on both sides their chance to posture and be distasteful.

    If people want to protest, let them - but they need to do it peacefully and a distance away from the cenotaph whilst there is an event on.

    What politicians like Braverman should be doing is calming, not enflaming. She is being more divisive and is, even worse, undermining the police too.

    She's not fit to hold a high position in the government, then again neither was the last PM.

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    There’s not many women i’d call a tw*t but this Suella exceeds the definition. I don’t know where to start with someone so despicable and moronic as her. For someone ‘of colour’ you’d think with the rhetoric she spits she was brought up in a combat18 household. Evil and vile.
    I say this because she’s a racist to her own kind, i’ve always thought it. Is it possible to racist to your own kind, she definitely shows it. It’s like she’s trying to side with the very right wing extremist to be or feel accepted. She really needs to look in the mirror and realise nobody is on her side, she’s being used to spout hate - because if it comes from someone like her it won’t be called racist or extreme. Anyway i know i’m digressing here. How the hell did she get this job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regis80 View Post
    There’s not many women i’d call a tw*t but this Suella exceeds the definition. I don’t know where to start with someone so despicable and moronic as her. For someone ‘of colour’ you’d think with the rhetoric she spits she was brought up in a combat18 household. Evil and vile.
    I say this because she’s a racist to her own kind, i’ve always thought it. Is it possible to racist to your own kind, she definitely shows it. It’s like she’s trying to side with the very right wing extremist to be or feel accepted. She really needs to look in the mirror and realise nobody is on her side, she’s being used to spout hate - because if it comes from someone like her it won’t be called racist or extreme. Anyway i know i’m digressing here. How the hell did she get this job?
    I am no Suella apologist but is she a racist? Palestinians are not a race they are Arabs, most homeless I see on the streets seem to be mostly white.
    I think this last few weeks have resolved for me what I am, that’s an ideologist, Islamic ideology has no place here.

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    At the risk of being repetitive, she is correct in her assertions but incorrect in the language used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveP67 is back! View Post
    I am no Suella apologist but is she a racist? Palestinians are not a race they are Arabs, most homeless I see on the streets seem to be mostly white.
    I think this last few weeks have resolved for me what I am, that’s an ideologist, Islamic ideology has no place here.
    I tend to agree with regard your first comment. I don't think race-at least, if you mean skin colour-really comes into her way of thinking. But, like Truss and other right wing Tories, she seems to assume that everyone has equal opportunities to make the best of their lives and that a failure to do so is very much their own fault. Seems symptomatic of the worst elements of the more selfish 80s culture and the driven upwardly mobile who lacked much of a social conscience or empathy for others.

    As for Islamic ideology, I'm rather inclined to Hitchen's views when it comes to religion, but think we have to be careful not to lump all Muslims together and whilst I totally agree about the dangers of Islamic extremism threatening the freedoms of our own (Western) culture-something such groups make no bones about themselves-there is no single Islamic ideology.

    Just as there are very many similarities between the basic tenets of the 3 Abrahamic religions (most notably, and ironically, the importance of charity and care for others) the various interpretations of the Bible or Quran have also resulted in great divides in Christian and Islamic beliefs. Whilst not all religious beliefs may be harmful, it is undeniable that religion has been the cause of more violence and bloodshed than anything else, although, of course, there are plenty of individuals throughout history who have used it as merely as a prop to support their own power.

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