Is it just me....

[swaledale]

They do seem to be the common factor in the spats despite being the threads harvesting the most views and posts.

The removal of the Red Dog from this Forum would resolve most issues - differences of opinion are fine, the posting of malicious, racist xenophobic in most cases false stories mostly gleaned and virtually repeated verbatim from certain right wing media outlets that are deliberately pushing a false narrative is another.

But it seems our Mod is quite happy for the Trumpian rubbish to be posted on here, indeed he seems to agree with much of it or deems it an alternative point of view. Now that could be because he actually has a considerable leaning towards this stuff, I mean he hides his bias under the "good ole chap" schmuck, but quite often reveals his true thoughts.


I'll watch Fox News of Geebeebies if I want to hear utter nonsense and falsehoods pushed as actual news, its not about right or left, its about what is actually verifiably true. Its a shame the Mod lets this Forum become another arena where right wing populism and falsehoods are posted on an almost daily basis.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Because it would be so much better if the forum became an arena for left wing populism and falsehoods almost daily, wouldn't it.

[ramAnag]

BUT consider Quality over Quantity. The first two threads mentioned above have essentially all centred around polarized issues and been vitriolic and bitchy. The same arguments go round and round in circles and achieve nothing in terms of resolution. So quantity does not prove anything other than forum members love to argue.

Give me a short lived 25to50-comment thread about a match any day which ends quickly allowing us to move on over a sprawling 7 year rinse-repeat cycle of saying the same thing 1000 different ways

But you aren’t getting 25-50 comments on matchday threads and even with the other DCFC related threads the average is only about 14, plus…only one of the aforementioned threads has been running for years, the Election Year thread for instance was obviously only started this year and the second part of it still remains three weeks away.

Beyond that I think Swale is correct about Tricky. He’s entitled to his view…of course he is…but the forum is a place to express one’s own opinions not as a receptacle for the regurgitation of GBNews and other right wing media outlets.

[Geoff Parkstone]

That last paragraph is disingenuous at best rA I'm sure TTR is as passionate in his views as you and Swale are in your diametrically opposed views. He just expresses it differently by citing his sources directly rather than cut n paste / plagiarism.

To solve a problem by suggesting the person who opposes your views is banned is both offensive and indicative of a lack of confidence in your ability to counter TTRs views.

People who can't make their minds up for themselves what to believe don't need nannying by those who have their own biases.

Nowhere in the constitution of this platform is there anything that suggests right wing opinion is not to be permitted. To ban TTR for holding such views is totally undemocratic and smacks of the Stalinist purges (OK slight overstatement)

[ramAnag]

That last paragraph is disingenuous at best rA I'm sure TTR is as passionate in his views as you and Swale are in your diametrically opposed views. He just expresses it differently by citing his sources directly rather than cut n paste / plagiarism.

To solve a problem by suggesting the person who opposes your views is banned is both offensive and indicative of a lack of confidence in your ability to counter TTRs views.

People who can't make their minds up for themselves what to believe don't need nannying by those who have their own biases.

Nowhere in the constitution of this platform is there anything that suggests right wing opinion is not to be permitted. To ban TTR for holding such views is totally undemocratic and smacks of the Stalinist purges (OK slight overstatement)

Sorry, was a hurried and tired message having just driven 420 miles. I’m not suggesting TTR should be banned, as I said…he’s entitled to his views even if I invariably disagree with them. Neither have I ever suggested ‘right wing opinion is not to be permitted’ and nor do I think it’s fair to describe my views as ‘plagiarism’…where’s that come from?
What I do think we can do without however is the barrage of YouTube and GBNews clips that TTR incessantly sends. That isn’t the point of a forum. By all means let him express his views but who else repeatedly uses video clips rather than their own words to put forward their opinion?

[swaledale]

Because it would be so much better if the forum became an arena for left wing populism and falsehoods almost daily, wouldn't it.

I guess if your views verge to quite far to the right, then one would class myself anf RA as left wing populists, but that would be a mistake and indeed would show a complete lack of understanding as to where we stand. I won't speak for RA, but my impression is that he is very much a centrist, maybe left of centre a little, but hardly a left wing populist.

As for myself, a cursory glance of my posts would show to any sentient person, that I'm certainly to the left of centre, but hardly a raving socialist, nor indeed a spreader of left wing populism.

But then that seems typical of some on here, like for instance you who seems right of centre, with an overall cynical view of all politics. Though without it seems a coherent view as to what the alternative is. As Farage shows time and time again, its very easy to carp from the side lines, providing coherent alternatives is more difficult.

I mean being anti Brexit isn't left wing populism - indeed extreme left wingers seem to hate the EU much as some right wingers. believing that people who work should not be exploited, that the NHS should be properly funded, that climate change is real that the mass bombing of civilians to address a terrorist issue and we need to address it or any of the other range of issues I discuss, are all issues which people with either left or right of centre views would have similar views on.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that either I or RA spread falsehoods either - whereas the stuff that a certain person spews on a daily basis is clearly false, there is often a grain of truth, but its almost always complete *******s and a little bit of cross referencing shows this to be the case.


Look at the facts, GeeBeebies loses £47 million a year, it spouts stuff that is clearly not based on facts, I can take a right wing slant on issues, absolute falsehoods is another matter. But then maybe you don't care for the truth? perhaps you just like hearing what aligns withyour views? Though I don't believe your that shallow tbh.

[swaledale]

Sorry, was a hurried and tired message having just driven 420 miles. I’m not suggesting TTR should be banned, as I said…he’s entitled to his views even if I invariably disagree with them. Neither have I ever suggested ‘right wing opinion is not to be permitted’ and nor do I think it’s fair to describe my views as ‘plagiarism’…where’s that come from?
What I do think we can do without however is the barrage of YouTube and GBNews clips that TTR incessantly sends. That isn’t the point of a forum. By all means let him express his views but who else repeatedly uses video clips rather than their own words to put forward their opinion?

If I did that the attack would almost always be Plagarism!! Its telling that when I put forward a view, the attacks are on me not the issue.

I disagree RA, the blatant extreme right wing propaganda that is far too frequently posted on here by a certain person should be removed, its not opinion, its fake propaganda, that is increasingly common and this Forum should not share it.

Thast aside from the blatant and obvious racist, xenophobic, ***ist and bigoted comments he makes, which any right minded Mod would remove, but apparently he can't see them for what they are, even asking me to point out such posts. Which is troubling in itself.

I maintain that if the Red Dog was removed from this Forum 80% of the issues would be gone.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I would contend that if you were removed, the same would be true. Not that I am advocating that course of action. But if one boxer is removed from the ring, the other can't keep fighting.

[ramAnag]

I disagree RA, the blatant extreme right wing propaganda that is far too frequently posted on here by a certain person should be removed, its not opinion, its fake propaganda, that is increasingly common and this Forum should not share it.

I’m fairly sure we’re not disagreeing, Swale…I probably just haven’t made my point very well.

I totally agree that all the right wing propaganda, in the form of YouTube and GBNews videos etc, should be removed. If Tricky, or anyone else wants to make a point that is defined as ‘right wing’ then fair enough. You and I, and others, will in all likelihood argue against him, but what I object to is the use of the forum as a conduit for right wing ‘news’ channels. I think that should be stopped and for GP to suggest we’d think it okay if it was stuff with a left wing bias is nonsense because, source identification apart, I can’t think of a single instance when you or I have posted/downloaded anything with any political leaning other than our own views.

It’s interesting too that the same three posters…in descending order, AF, GP and Tricky are the only people who ever make a fuss about you and I being in regular political agreement. AF invented the whole ‘rear gunner’ tag and ‘sidekick’ nonsense. GP has run with it to the point of exhaustion and TTR often falls back on it. I wonder why that is. No one else ever mentions it. I find myself in agreement with MA, Sith and mac just as much as with you and the AF, GP, TTR triumvirate seem oblivious to the fact that their mutual support is far more blatant and aggressive than anything you and I tend to offer. Maybe someone will explain.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So to get back to the thread purpose, would you be happy to see political threads either abolished or quarantined in a sub / secondary forum, thus containing the acrimony in a safe place, if it meant the forum could survive it's current suicidal mode as identified by MA??

Always assuming it's even possible