Is it just me....

[ramAnag]

When Tricky’s holiday destination and GP’s malaise (do genuinely hope things are looking up) attract infinitely more responses than our potentially biggest signing for years (Nat Phillips - 1) you know something is not quite right.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Hmmm…so we’ve got…Brexit at 9355, Election (1882), Music (279), Cricket (176), English identity (124) and frankly appalling Jokes (47).
In the meantime the DCFC threads, even including the excellent ‘9 Games In’, are averaging around 14.

What does that tell you? Tells me there’s only so much about eight blokes who are all getting on a bit - okay maybe not Sith - can say about a football match.

BUT consider Quality over Quantity. The first two threads mentioned above have essentially all centred around polarized issues and been vitriolic and bitchy. The same arguments go round and round in circles and achieve nothing in terms of resolution. So quantity does not prove anything other than forum members love to argue.

Give me a short lived 25to50-comment thread about a match any day which ends quickly allowing us to move on over a sprawling 7 year rinse-repeat cycle of saying the same thing 1000 different ways

[ramAnag]

BUT consider Quality over Quantity. The first two threads mentioned above have essentially all centred around polarized issues and been vitriolic and bitchy. The same arguments go round and round in circles and achieve nothing in terms of resolution. So quantity does not prove anything other than forum members love to argue.

Give me a short lived 25to50-comment thread about a match any day which ends quickly allowing us to move on over a sprawling 7 year rinse-repeat cycle of saying the same thing 1000 different ways

But you aren’t getting 25-50 comments on matchday threads and even with the other DCFC related threads the average is only about 14, plus…only one of the aforementioned threads has been running for years, the Election Year thread for instance was obviously only started this year and the second part of it still remains three weeks away.

Beyond that I think Swale is correct about Tricky. He’s entitled to his view…of course he is…but the forum is a place to express one’s own opinions not as a receptacle for the regurgitation of GBNews and other right wing media outlets.

[Andy_Faber]

BUT consider Quality over Quantity. The first two threads mentioned above have essentially all centred around polarized issues and been vitriolic and bitchy. The same arguments go round and round in circles and achieve nothing in terms of resolution. So quantity does not prove anything other than forum members love to argue.

Give me a short lived 25to50-comment thread about a match any day which ends quickly allowing us to move on over a sprawling 7 year rinse-repeat cycle of saying the same thing 1000 different ways

Well put, in the case of the various ‘putting the world to rights’ threads quantity has most definitely not meant quality

[Geoff Parkstone]

That last paragraph is disingenuous at best rA I'm sure TTR is as passionate in his views as you and Swale are in your diametrically opposed views. He just expresses it differently by citing his sources directly rather than cut n paste / plagiarism.

To solve a problem by suggesting the person who opposes your views is banned is both offensive and indicative of a lack of confidence in your ability to counter TTRs views.

People who can't make their minds up for themselves what to believe don't need nannying by those who have their own biases.

Nowhere in the constitution of this platform is there anything that suggests right wing opinion is not to be permitted. To ban TTR for holding such views is totally undemocratic and smacks of the Stalinist purges (OK slight overstatement)

[ramAnag]

That last paragraph is disingenuous at best rA I'm sure TTR is as passionate in his views as you and Swale are in your diametrically opposed views. He just expresses it differently by citing his sources directly rather than cut n paste / plagiarism.

To solve a problem by suggesting the person who opposes your views is banned is both offensive and indicative of a lack of confidence in your ability to counter TTRs views.

People who can't make their minds up for themselves what to believe don't need nannying by those who have their own biases.

Nowhere in the constitution of this platform is there anything that suggests right wing opinion is not to be permitted. To ban TTR for holding such views is totally undemocratic and smacks of the Stalinist purges (OK slight overstatement)

Sorry, was a hurried and tired message having just driven 420 miles. I’m not suggesting TTR should be banned, as I said…he’s entitled to his views even if I invariably disagree with them. Neither have I ever suggested ‘right wing opinion is not to be permitted’ and nor do I think it’s fair to describe my views as ‘plagiarism’…where’s that come from?
What I do think we can do without however is the barrage of YouTube and GBNews clips that TTR incessantly sends. That isn’t the point of a forum. By all means let him express his views but who else repeatedly uses video clips rather than their own words to put forward their opinion?

[swaledale]

Sorry, was a hurried and tired message having just driven 420 miles. I’m not suggesting TTR should be banned, as I said…he’s entitled to his views even if I invariably disagree with them. Neither have I ever suggested ‘right wing opinion is not to be permitted’ and nor do I think it’s fair to describe my views as ‘plagiarism’…where’s that come from?
What I do think we can do without however is the barrage of YouTube and GBNews clips that TTR incessantly sends. That isn’t the point of a forum. By all means let him express his views but who else repeatedly uses video clips rather than their own words to put forward their opinion?

If I did that the attack would almost always be Plagarism!! Its telling that when I put forward a view, the attacks are on me not the issue.

I disagree RA, the blatant extreme right wing propaganda that is far too frequently posted on here by a certain person should be removed, its not opinion, its fake propaganda, that is increasingly common and this Forum should not share it.

Thast aside from the blatant and obvious racist, xenophobic, ***ist and bigoted comments he makes, which any right minded Mod would remove, but apparently he can't see them for what they are, even asking me to point out such posts. Which is troubling in itself.

I maintain that if the Red Dog was removed from this Forum 80% of the issues would be gone.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I would contend that if you were removed, the same would be true. Not that I am advocating that course of action. But if one boxer is removed from the ring, the other can't keep fighting.

[swaledale]

I would contend that if you were removed, the same would be true. Not that I am advocating that course of action. But if one boxer is removed from the ring, the other can't keep fighting.

To be honest, I rarely these days respond or comment on the Red Dogs rantings, a look back over threads will confirm this, so your analogy is flawed, his posts are so facile and pointless that I leave it to others to respond. In fact most of the dispute and disharmony on here hasn't involved any contribution from me, except for the occasional comment, I've deliberately avoided it, because one can't argue with a sick mind.

My concern over his rantings is that they should be distasteful to all people, but apparently not it seems and there we have the reason why right wing populism is so pernicious - most of the stuff Trump and others of his ilk have said isn't true, but it is believable. My mistake was thinking anybody capable of critical thinking and who could be bothered to venture to think outside their own narrow perspective would see that, but clearly there on those on here who don't, fair enough.

Though presumably your also comfortable with the level of inherent racism, xenophobia, misogyny and bigotry in his posts? If so that reflects badly those that see no ill in his ravings, but then that clearly doesn't bother them. As Trump shows, its not that people don't know that he lies, that he is a disreputable character and a convicted felon, they don't care. Maybe my other mistake was overestimating the level of intelligence being displayed here.

Its also flawed because the only one who who posts "extreme" views on here and not even his own, but those of extreme right wing media and internet sources, is our "Red friend" but hey in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king so it seems.

Ah cut and paste and plagiarism, here we go again, I have on occasion reproduced information which succinctly describes an issue, its generally from a variety of sources none of which could be described as "extreme left media" that's a far cry from what our "Red Friend" does and I generally do it, because you and AF often accuse me of having a singular view that is not reflected elsewhere. Its telling that you both then choose to attack me for so called plagiarism, rather than dispute the facts or present a coherent argument against what I'm saying. I understand I'm casting "pearls before swine", but one has to try occasionally.

Indeed one 0f the the accusations of plagiarism, was when I posted a report of an official document which by its very nature was printed verbatim in almost every publication - but that was a distinction which both you and AF failed to recognise in your rush to attack the messenger rather than the message. I must admit that made me chuckle, as you both ****ed up with that accusation.

One can only presume that like Trump followers, your desire for truth and perspective is non existent, you'd rather have material that panders to your own prejudices, even if that's not an accurate reflection of the world as we know it, indeed even if its a pack of lies. Puzzling but hey it seems some people like that sort of thing.

Instead you throw out accusations of extreme left wing views, **** me if you think my views are that then your cognitive ability is clearly lacking.

My last thought its this - if you don't like the political threads, they are marked OT and clearly labelled, don't ****ing read them, rather than whinge about them.

[ramAnag]

I disagree RA, the blatant extreme right wing propaganda that is far too frequently posted on here by a certain person should be removed, its not opinion, its fake propaganda, that is increasingly common and this Forum should not share it.

I’m fairly sure we’re not disagreeing, Swale…I probably just haven’t made my point very well.

I totally agree that all the right wing propaganda, in the form of YouTube and GBNews videos etc, should be removed. If Tricky, or anyone else wants to make a point that is defined as ‘right wing’ then fair enough. You and I, and others, will in all likelihood argue against him, but what I object to is the use of the forum as a conduit for right wing ‘news’ channels. I think that should be stopped and for GP to suggest we’d think it okay if it was stuff with a left wing bias is nonsense because, source identification apart, I can’t think of a single instance when you or I have posted/downloaded anything with any political leaning other than our own views.

It’s interesting too that the same three posters…in descending order, AF, GP and Tricky are the only people who ever make a fuss about you and I being in regular political agreement. AF invented the whole ‘rear gunner’ tag and ‘sidekick’ nonsense. GP has run with it to the point of exhaustion and TTR often falls back on it. I wonder why that is. No one else ever mentions it. I find myself in agreement with MA, Sith and mac just as much as with you and the AF, GP, TTR triumvirate seem oblivious to the fact that their mutual support is far more blatant and aggressive than anything you and I tend to offer. Maybe someone will explain.