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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by schumacherfanclub View Post
    agree with that
    How far do you want to extend this conversation ?
    ....... yes, technically a player could indeed stand in front of the goalkeeper with the intent of giving his team advantage by blocking the goalkeeper's view during a freekick, corner etc........ but the player would run the risk of being offside if the cross from the dead ball comes in their direction and they move towards the ball and NOT away from it........officials tend to be blocked, often deliberately from seeing clearly whats going on with all movements around them and they do like to go with the attacking team decision wise in such situations.....do they not ?

    MOT

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by spaldy View Post
    Mrs O

    you seem to have a lot of knowledge of some inner workings of the game.

    Serious question for you. Not just stirring the pot. Why does it seem that Championship has such poor, and candidly sometimes, biased officials? As a former ref here across the pond I know a little about officiating and it really is stunning just how many "bad days" I've seen in the championship. It's not just Leeds. Some of these games that official becomes a big part of the action. I have no idea what kind of compensation, training or grading they get but do find it hard to believe that the issue can't be addressed better. if nothing else, give the teams the right to de select certain officials. I think you can understand that some refs have implicit bias (whether they know it or not) and it's not unreasonable to let a team have a certain amount of strikes to use over the course of a season.

    It's also unfortunate that the FA does not seem to measure there officials or take input from the coaches/teams. Any enterprise that does not grade or give the members a say so is bound to have problems over time.

    FWIW, I do hope the championship never picks up VAR. Such a better product to watch even with human error involved at times.
    So what do referees earn in England Spaldy....... often get asked that from my Euro friends a lot to...... depending on the level refs call the shots they can earn little or lots for officiating a match currently..... so with £1 trading at $1.29 on the Exchange at the moment I hope your calculator has got new batteries in for the figures to follow 😂

    Amateur referees in the UK work on a game-by-game basis and their match fee is dependant on the local football associations..... but pay is usually between £20 and £40 per game.

    Referees at the semi-professional level [the lower leagues of the English football pyramid] get both their match fee and expenses..... so they are paid around £80 per game plus whatever mileage they have for travel expenses to and from the match venue.

    From 2024, PL refs earn a salary range of £73,191 to £147,258...... plus a match fee of £1,116 per game and they may also receive a performance-based bonus depending on their reviewed standards 🤐
    In addition to PL referees there are 2 other levels of referees in England.......

    The Select Group 2 (SG2)
    These referees mainly officiate in the Championship, but also occasionally in League One and League Two.

    The National Group
    These referees officiate in League One and League Two matches and usually have another job...... they receive a flat fee for each game they officiate.
    Note that refs in Germany and France currently get paid half the amount as their English colleagues.

    For the Champions League.... referees are now divided into tiers depending on their experience...... so the more senior officials are are paid over £5,500 per game if they are in the top Elite tier...... while Elite Development referees get £3,800, while the bottom tier ones get £700 per game currently.

    As for the training of refs in England Spaldy.....
    then the cusp of whats required can be found here.
    https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/r...sked-questions

    Currently to become a football ref you need to complete a Referee training course and also pass a Laws of the Game examination test....
    the FA Referee's Course can be taken at a local County/Region FA center and this course will teach you the Laws of the Game and the practical skills needed to be a referee including a fitness test and health certificate...... so you have to be fit...... like you are Spaldy ..... it is a tough challenging role with no love from the fans either, so not for everyone.

    Having a gander at one of the FA Referee Entry level modules requirement with courses fees...... it appears this is the set up requirement from your wallet they require from the off. https://www.surreyfa.com/referees/co...eferees-course

    Enjoy the read and no I have no plans to become a Referees Agent unless its for you.
    I do love my football even though boxing was my passion as a kid as I had 3 brothers really into it....... loved the disciplined training but not so much the inner ring stuff as most of the kids in my age group were boys...... but I still train every day.


    MOT
    Last edited by MrsORichSenior_; 23-10-2024 at 11:11 PM.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior_ View Post
    So what do referees earn in England Spaldy....... often get asked that from my Euro friends a lot to...... depending on the level refs call the shots they can earn little or lots for officiating a match currently..... so with £1 trading at $1.29 on the Exchange at the moment I hope your calculator has got new batteries in for the figures to follow 😂

    Amateur referees in the UK work on a game-by-game basis and their match fee is dependant on the local football associations..... but pay is usually between £20 and £40 per game.

    Referees at the semi-professional level [the lower leagues of the English football pyramid] get both their match fee and expenses..... so they are paid around £80 per game plus whatever mileage they have for travel expenses to and from the match venue.

    From 2024, PL refs earn a salary range of £73,191 to £147,258...... plus a match fee of £1,116 per game and they may also receive a performance-based bonus depending on their reviewed standards 🤐
    In addition to PL referees there are 2 other levels of referees in England.......

    The Select Group 2 (SG2)
    These referees mainly officiate in the Championship, but also occasionally in League One and League Two.

    The National Group
    These referees officiate in League One and League Two matches and usually have another job...... they receive a flat fee for each game they officiate.
    Note that refs in Germany and France currently get paid half the amount as their English colleagues.

    For the Champions League.... referees are now divided into tiers depending on their experience...... so the more senior officials are are paid over £5,500 per game if they are in the top Elite tier...... while Elite Development referees get £3,800, while the bottom tier ones get £700 per game currently.

    As for the training of refs in England Spaldy.....
    then the cusp of whats required can be found here.
    https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/r...sked-questions

    Currently to become a football ref you need to complete a Referee training course and also pass a Laws of the Game examination test....
    the FA Referee's Course can be taken at a local County/Region FA center and this course will teach you the Laws of the Game and the practical skills needed to be a referee including a fitness test and health certificate...... so you have to be fit...... like you are Spaldy ..... it is a tough challenging role with no love from the fans either, so not for everyone.

    Having a gander at one of the FA Referee Entry level modules requirement with courses fees...... it appears this is the set up requirement from your wallet they require from the off. https://www.surreyfa.com/referees/co...eferees-course

    Enjoy the read and no I have no plans to become a Referees Agent unless its for you.
    I do love my football even though boxing was my passion as a kid as I had 3 brothers really into it....... loved the disciplined training but not so much the inner ring stuff as most of the kids in my age group were boys...... but I still train every day.


    MOT
    So basically for all those who officiate at games we might generally see televised in one league/competition or another, money for old rope? Couldn't make it up. Only in football could such incompetence be so richly rewarded and with so little oversight.

  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior_ View Post
    How far do you want to extend this conversation ?
    ....... yes, technically a player could indeed stand in front of the goalkeeper with the intent of giving his team advantage by blocking the goalkeeper's view during a freekick, corner etc........ but the player would run the risk of being offside if the cross from the dead ball comes in their direction and they move towards the ball and NOT away from it........officials tend to be blocked, often deliberately from seeing clearly whats going on with all movements around them and they do like to go with the attacking team decision wise in such situations.....do they not ?

    MOT
    "yes, technically a player could indeed stand in front of the goalkeeper with the intent of giving his team advantage by blocking the goalkeeper's view during a freekick, corner etc........ but the player would run the risk of being offside if the cross from the dead ball comes in their direction and they move towards the ball and NOT away from it.."

    Not "technically"!!!!!! We see that every corner/set piece we face in every f00king game, that's why the new guy started the f00king thread!!!! Not a technical argument/discussion but a game reality!

    Bit of a tortological nicety, but "do into others as you would have them do unto you". Give the opposition some sh1t and see how they react.

  5. #15
    sounds good to me .

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by WTF11 View Post
    "yes, technically a player could indeed stand in front of the goalkeeper with the intent of giving his team advantage by blocking the goalkeeper's view during a freekick, corner etc........ but the player would run the risk of being offside if the cross from the dead ball comes in their direction and they move towards the ball and NOT away from it.."

    Not "technically"!!!!!! We see that every corner/set piece we face in every f00king game, that's why the new guy started the f00king thread!!!! Not a technical argument/discussion but a game reality!

    Bit of a tortological nicety, but "do into others as you would have them do unto you". Give the opposition some sh1t and see how they react.
    A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand[s]....... under Law 12.3 it clearly explains cautionable offences and states ..... 'failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball,corner kick,free kick or throw in'.........
    So technically.......Yes,ok..... 'Failure to respect distance of a goalkeeper'..... thats my opinion from 'skin in the game' offered for debate.

    Certainly Bielsa would not use the tactic & Farke on occasion has....... albeit with our smallest player Gnonto.

    Dont be so quick into wanting to burn someone in a discussion giving points of view that differ and in this case given from a keepers perspective knowledge within the games current laws regarding the difficult job officials have interpreting them.

    MOT

  7. #17
    Always amazes me how poor the delivery from set pieces often is.

    As a pro footballer if you are taking g set pieces surely you would put in extra time with a bag of balls perfecting delivery and accuracy.

    We have a lot of height in the team so not sure why we don’t use the whipped corner a lot more than we do aiming for the first half of the 6 yard box.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by schumacherfanclub View Post
    sounds good to me .

    FWIW....Currently the rules also state .......... 'All players have the right to their position, being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent'....... [impeding] which is cautionable.

    There lies the problem [for me] within the rule.
    Fine lines 'moving into'....... as for me thats cheating......... and can create injury to keepers defending corners via elbows,shoulders and being trodden on as players often 'back into keepers' to..... resulting in broken toes,ribs,teeth and noses...... as my son has experienced particularly being blocked whilst defending corners.... hence my injury caveat references in first response.

    Personally, I think its a poor tactic to employ and encourage and is cheating..... so not right.

    MOT

  9. #19
    To be honest impeding players has been going on for decades. Some refs would over protect the keeper others would see it as fair game.

    Wimbledon and Arsenal used to exploit corners better than most.

  10. #20
    As does Pep today !

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