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    Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
    But thats Big Daves problem, if there is too much influence from those below him and its affecting negatively, thats on the manager.

    But we dont actually know what type of influence the backing team are providing. What if Abella thinks its all dross and no one is listening to him?

    I do agree that there is an issue with how we are setup, how we progress the ball and the movement in the team. The manager has to sort that and if he cant, he will have to go. I still think the side is lacking though in key areas.
    Big Dave was new to management at the time and Mason is completely new too! Don?t see Jimmy rushing off the bench with a note pad. The style of football is very similar to CC - boring and dull. Very coincidental!!!

    Key players I agree but that?s down to the manager. You were the one who mentioned Grimes who is a brilliant and a key player for Coventry - well they paid less for him than we played for Heggebo who to be honest is poor or very average at best! If you sell players due to our financial problems like Fellows and Palmer - you replace them with like for like albeit cheaper! Wallace is past it and if Junior is a Premier player then God help us. Griffiths has improved but certainly no Palmer and their goal was down to him today! Some replacements in key positions and Bostock may as well freeze on the bench if he makes it!

    Once again you can guarantee there will be changes again for the Wednesday game.

    PS - the moral of the story is like today, Boro away and other matches - although too late - if you bring on attack minded players then perhaps had they started/come on earlier you could have salvaged something!

    Awful football Matt and the majority are never wrong. Take a look at all social media posts and even those level headed are slating Mason and the dreadful football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggieal View Post
    Big Dave was new to management at the time and Mason is completely new too! Don?t see Jimmy rushing off the bench with a note pad. The style of football is very similar to CC - boring and dull. Very coincidental!!!

    Key players I agree but that?s down to the manager. You were the one who mentioned Grimes who is a brilliant and a key player for Coventry - well they paid less for him than we played for Heggebo who to be honest is poor or very average at best! If you sell players due to our financial problems like Fellows and Palmer - you replace them with like for like albeit cheaper! Wallace is past it and if Junior is a Premier player then God help us. Griffiths has improved but certainly no Palmer and their goal was down to him today! Some replacements in key positions and Bostock may as well freeze on the bench if he makes it!

    Once again you can guarantee there will be changes again for the Wednesday game.

    PS - the moral of the story is like today, Boro away and other matches - although too late - if you bring on attack minded players then perhaps had they started/come on earlier you could have salvaged something!

    Awful football Matt and the majority are never wrong. Take a look at all social media posts and even those level headed are slating Mason and the dreadful football.
    Abella will always rush off the touchline. He is Spanish ffs. At least he shows some passion. Its a bit illogical though to say the footballs dull lets blame the analyst. Youll be flogging the tea lady next!

    I agree it?s crap football and it isnt working. I havent said otherwise. I still think the team is devoid of good creative players and the manager will need some time. I have disagreed with folk that slated him before it was a problem (some before we had even kicked a ball this season).

    I truly believe the sign of a good manager is not that they can get things wrong, it?s how they react and whether they can turn it around. Frank won one in his first 10 games at Brentford.

    Frank Lampard has had some torrid times in his career, it?s all clicked into place now though and he fits Coventry like a glove. But if you ask Everton fans what they think of him, different story. His squad was crap and he didnt get a lot of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
    Abella will always rush off the touchline. He is Spanish ffs. At least he shows some passion. Its a bit illogical though to say the footballs dull lets blame the analyst. Youll be flogging the tea lady next!

    I agree it?s crap football and it isnt working. I havent said otherwise. I still think the team is devoid of good creative players and the manager will need some time. I have disagreed with folk that slated him before it was a problem (some before we had even kicked a ball this season).

    I truly believe the sign of a good manager is not that they can get things wrong, it?s how they react and whether they can turn it around. Frank won one in his first 10 games at Brentford.

    Frank Lampard has had some torrid times in his career, it?s all clicked into place now though and he fits Coventry like a glove. But if you ask Everton fans what they think of him, different story. His squad was crap and he didnt get a lot of time.
    I really hope that the mason appointment isn?t going to be our Wayne Rooney moment. We all know what happened there.this narrative of oh give him time to get his ideas over worked well for them. Sleepwalked into league one, come on Shilen give him 5 or 6 games then evaluate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
    But thats Big Daves problem, if there is too much influence from those below him and its affecting negatively, thats on the manager.

    But we dont actually know what type of influence the backing team are providing. What if Abella thinks its all dross and no one is listening to him?

    I do agree that there is an issue with how we are setup, how we progress the ball and the movement in the team. The manager has to sort that and if he cant, he will have to go. I still think the side is lacking though in key areas.
    Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
    Abella will always rush off the touchline. He is Spanish ffs. At least he shows some passion. Its a bit illogical though to say the footballs dull lets blame the analyst. Youll be flogging the tea lady next!

    I agree it?s crap football and it isnt working. I havent said otherwise. I still think the team is devoid of good creative players and the manager will need some time. I have disagreed with folk that slated him before it was a problem (some before we had even kicked a ball this season).

    I truly believe the sign of a good manager is not that they can get things wrong, it?s how they react and whether they can turn it around. Frank won one in his first 10 games at Brentford.

    Frank Lampard has had some torrid times in his career, it?s all clicked into place now though and he fits Coventry like a glove. But if you ask Everton fans what they think of him, different story. His squad was crap and he didnt get a lot of time.

    Fair points. The bit about Abella was more we are playing the CC way - dull plus sideways and backwards! The Nestor Model or player recruitment is still not working! You mentioned Grimes being great at Coventry and I agree but he cost less than Heggebo who is beginning to frustrate. The midfield has been devoid of pace and creativity since Pereira left and Mowatt/Molumbey are average at best! Why bring in a loan inexperienced player? Grimes was good at Swansea!

    For me though it?s not just the lack of talent but the negativity and dull boring football. We start to press too late in many games when there?s intent to rescue something like today again. Have some fkin balls Mason from the off!!!

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    We?re fortunate that the next three games are against supposedly beatable opposition, however we still need to match them for determination, energy and commitment, luckily it?s not Coventry, Bristol City or Hull otherwise Mason may be gone.
    7 points minimum required from the next three games, for that to happen we need to be more positive and at least have a shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombers right foot View Post
    We?re fortunate that the next three games are against supposedly beatable opposition, however we still need to match them for determination, energy and commitment, luckily it?s not Coventry, Bristol City or Hull otherwise Mason may be gone.
    7 points minimum required from the next three games, for that to happen we need to be more positive and at least have a shot

    Lets hope the Nestor Model includes an " A " for attack. This data driven model must be close to explosion if it's monitoring sideways and backwards passing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombers right foot View Post
    We?re fortunate that the next three games are against supposedly beatable opposition, however we still need to match them for determination, energy and commitment, luckily it?s not Coventry, Bristol City or Hull otherwise Mason may be gone.
    7 points minimum required from the next three games, for that to happen we need to be more positive and at least have a shot
    It is certainly a good thing not to be faced with teams like Coventry in our coming matches but one of the things with this league is that most teams seem to be able to beat anyone on the day so-as has already been pointed out-we cannot under-estimate any of them, including the Owls.

    It has been apparent for some time that we are missing a creative playmaker in midfield but, even so, we are surely capable of achieving more than we have been. Mason's options in midfield were limited yesterday with both Collyer and Molumby not being available but it was the game plan and tactics that frustrated most.

    In his post match interview, Mason talked of his anger and disappointment at the players not managing to see this game plan through as Griffith's late mistake saw us (yet again) stumbling at the last fence. The problem is that he doesn't seem to recognize that the game plan itself only invited continued pressure over too long a period. He also talked about the players seeming to lack belief in themselves that they could get that goal back, let alone win yet the plan seemed almost designed to manage a draw at best. Aside from the rather frantic last 10 mins we offered so very little in attacking intent.

    Personally, I did see some desire (if not always enough quality) from our attacking players, particularly towards the end of the match but it was too little and much too late. It was as if they realised that the defensive game plan that had generally worked well for most of the game had yet again come undone late on and it was panic stations to try and rescue a point. Surely much better to avoid getting ourselves into that situation in the first place and show attacking intent from the start?

    Whatever happens bomber, you are bang on with what you say about the need for a greater desire to win and more determination, energy and commitment- though you would have thought that these should all be a prerequisite!

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    This is really sad reading
    Apparently It has been 66 league games since Albion came from behind to win.
    In the last 12 months Albion have conceded 12 goals after 80+ minutes at a cost of 10 points
    Looks like Nestor?s model is really working🤬

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegstrat6 View Post
    It is certainly a good thing not to be faced with teams like Coventry in our coming matches but one of the things with this league is that most teams seem to be able to beat anyone on the day so-as has already been pointed out-we cannot under-estimate any of them, including the Owls.

    It has been apparent for some time that we are missing a creative playmaker in midfield but, even so, we are surely capable of achieving more than we have been. Mason's options in midfield were limited yesterday with both Collyer and Molumby not being available but it was the game plan and tactics that frustrated most.

    In his post match interview, Mason talked of his anger and disappointment at the players not managing to see this game plan through as Griffith's late mistake saw us (yet again) stumbling at the last fence. The problem is that he doesn't seem to recognize that the game plan itself only invited continued pressure over too long a period. He also talked about the players seeming to lack belief in themselves that they could get that goal back, let alone win yet the plan seemed almost designed to manage a draw at best. Aside from the rather frantic last 10 mins we offered so very little in attacking intent.

    Personally, I did see some desire (if not always enough quality) from our attacking players, particularly towards the end of the match but it was too little and much too late. It was as if they realised that the defensive game plan that had generally worked well for most of the game had yet again come undone late on and it was panic stations to try and rescue a point. Surely much better to avoid getting ourselves into that situation in the first place and show attacking intent from the start?

    Whatever happens bomber, you are bang on with what you say about the need for a greater desire to win and more determination, energy and commitment- though you would have thought that these should all be a prerequisite!
    I agree about a creative midfielder and Matt mentioned that Grimes was excellent and a really power in the middle for Coventry. He had Championship experience and was signed from Swansea for less than the waste of money we paid for Heggebo. Whose fault is that? Think of the wages we are paying for Wallace, Grant and Dike. They surely have got to be gone with a big boot come June?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombers right foot View Post
    This is really sad reading
    Apparently It has been 66 league games since Albion came from behind to win.
    In the last 12 months Albion have conceded 12 goals after 80+ minutes at a cost of 10 points
    Looks like Nestor?s model is really working🤬
    I couldn't even tell you when we last went on an unbeaten run that didn't include mostly draws...I'd say early 2000's.

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