What happened to D4L

[Returnofrros]

Voted on by arseholes.

Rightly ignored.

Just for clarity

Are you saying the committee were right to ignore membership cause the membership are arseholes or everybody connected with D4L are arseholes?

[BCram]

I have discussed the scenario of the vote of no confidence in John Nelms at the Dee4life AGM on 29th November 2025 with several Dee4life members and we agreed that this was the only suitable time to do something about it.
It cannot be done in January due to the Transfer window nor in the period up to the end of the season especially if the team is fighting relegation or the play off spot.
It is not an ideal time to do it immediately after the end of the season as season tickets go on sale nor at the beginning of the next season which brings us back to the end of November at the Dee4life AGM.
Dee4life have another major problem.
At the end of April 2026 they will only have four directors with no Financial Director and no Chairman.
They require a minimum of five directors to operate and they need new blood on the Dee4life board of directors with new ideas to take things forward.
In my opinion the Dee4life board of directors need to state that they will be enforcing the entrenched rights of their A shares and request their Primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors.
The should send an email directly to Tim Keyes requesting their Primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors with immediate effect under rules 79-82 of the Dundee Football Club Limited Articles of Association.
Doing nothing is not an option as they will continue to lose members due to apathy by the current Dee4life board of directors.

Where do you think the credibility of the Dee4life Board would be if they had issued the call for a vote of no confidence in John Nelms? There are many personal posts from posters on TDB forum where the basic theme is "sorry" got this wrong. The appointment of Elvis by John Nelms has not been the disaster that was predicted by many.
It seems to me that there has been a change in the way the club is being run. The manager is running the football side and I hope has more credibility with the owners than any of us thought possible.

I think Dee4life is in a bind. There are those with long memories and are reluctant to move forward. Changing boards is only valuable if there is a change in direction, imo.

Work with the people who work for our club and see where that gets us.

[Returnofrros]

Where do you think the credibility of the Dee4life Board would be if they had issued the call for a vote of no confidence in John Nelms? There are many personal posts from posters on TDB forum where the basic theme is "sorry" got this wrong. The appointment of Elvis by John Nelms has not been the disaster that was predicted by many.
It seems to me that there has been a change in the way the club is being run. The manager is running the football side and I hope has more credibility with the owners than any of us thought possible.

I think Dee4life is in a bind. There are those with long memories and are reluctant to move forward. Changing boards is only valuable if there is a change in direction, imo.

Work with the people who work for our club and see where that gets us.

They have zero credibility.

A group not to be trusted now.

[noahrab]

Just for clarity

Are you saying the committee were right to ignore membership cause the membership are arseholes or everybody connected with D4L are arseholes?

For clarity, anyone voting in a ?no confidence? vote.

It was never going to change anything.

Complete waste of energy.

[Returnofrros]

For clarity, anyone voting in a ?no confidence? vote.

It was never going to change anything.

Complete waste of energy.

It wouldn't change anything re Nelms but it would signal a change in direction from D4L.

If there has been no change of direction then I agree a complete waste of time other than highlight that the D4l committee have no intention of holding Nelms to account at all.

BCram imho rather simplifies the matter by making it about Elvis.....it isn't....the unrest with Nelms and the running of the club has went back years now.

Granted there have now been small improvements in the last few months but the suspicion remains for many......myself included.

D4L though seems to be a complete busted flush.

[parcbara]

I think the issue with JN goes way further back than SP's time.

[BCram]

It wouldn't change anything re Nelms but it would signal a change in direction from D4L.

If there has been no change of direction then I agree a complete waste of time other than highlight that the D4l committee have no intention of holding Nelms to account at all.

BCram imho rather simplifies the matter by making it about Elvis.....it isn't....the unrest with Nelms and the running of the club has went back years now.

Granted there have now been small improvements in the last few months but the suspicion remains for many......myself included.

D4L though seems to be a complete busted flush.

My view was that John Nelms was wholly responsible for the appointment of Elvis. He also made clear that there was a new strategy for really trying to improve players, and at the time I was very sceptical about this idea, which was very firmly nailed on John Nelms, by me and others.
It seems to be working, to the extent that our team is not doomed, yet! The real demonstration that this development strategy will work for us, will be the financial rewards when players leave us for transfer fees.
This side of the plan has not been delivered and I think it will be very easy to judge.
I agree Dee4life needs some new direction but holding feet to the fire will not make any difference, imo.
Better to try to build up support and try to help the people who work for the club.

[parcbara]

My view was that John Nelms was wholly responsible for the appointment of Elvis. He also made clear that there was a new strategy for really trying to improve players, and at the time I was very sceptical about this idea, which was very firmly nailed on John Nelms, by me and others.
It seems to be working, to the extent that our team is not doomed, yet! The real demonstration that this development strategy will work for us, will be the financial rewards when players leave us for transfer fees.
This side of the plan has not been delivered and I think it will be very easy to judge.
I agree Dee4life needs some new direction but holding feet to the fire will not make any difference, imo.
Better to try to build up support and try to help the people who work for the club.

Although we are not safe yet. If we get dragged into the playoff, then the season cannot be seen as successful as last season. That, in my opinion would reflect the dreadful mess at the close of last season/start of this season, which was clearly down to John Nelms. Pressley has made a decent job of that mess, but JN was prepared to sell Graham at the January window - it was Graham who rejected Portsmouth by all accounts. That decision would have dropped us in the mire. I need to see a lot better before I would trust the judgement of JN.

[Returnofrros]

Although we are not safe yet. If we get dragged into the playoff, then the season cannot be seen as successful as last season. That, in my opinion would reflect the dreadful mess at the close of last season/start of this season, which was clearly down to John Nelms. Pressley has made a decent job of that mess, but JN was prepared to sell Graham at the January window - it was Graham who rejected Portsmouth by all accounts. That decision would have dropped us in the mire. I need to see a lot better before I would trust the judgement of JN.

Don't judge me by my winners.

Just me by my losers because I have so few.

Now who said that Leonardo de Caprio or Nelmsy?

Sell me the pen John, sell me the 🖋️

[Returnofrros]

My view was that John Nelms was wholly responsible for the appointment of Elvis. He also made clear that there was a new strategy for really trying to improve players, and at the time I was very sceptical about this idea, which was very firmly nailed on John Nelms, by me and others.
It seems to be working, to the extent that our team is not doomed, yet! The real demonstration that this development strategy will work for us, will be the financial rewards when players leave us for transfer fees.
This side of the plan has not been delivered and I think it will be very easy to judge.
I agree Dee4life needs some new direction but holding feet to the fire will not make any difference, imo.
Better to try to build up support and try to help the people who work for the club.

See again I disagree

It's not about strategy, where we finish, how much in transfer fees.....it's about whether the fans feel wanted, included, needed, appreciated, trusted with the truth.

Nelms has run a secretive dictatorship up to about 6 months ago......I'd think the slos have maybe helped him open up a tiny bit but the toys cud come oot the pram at any point and revert back to type.

I want to see D4L push for Q&A, push for shareholders meeting, DEMAND their rightful place on the board.....they ain't gonna do that BCram despite all the promises......that's why the are a busted flush and I'd also question if they could deny their members twice.....can they be trusted with A Shares or is that a cave in waiting to happen?

You cannot keep marching a
membership to the top of the hill and march them straight down again.

I know where we are in the league, I know we are on a decent run of form, I know the grass is green at Dens....that's not what I want or I suspect many members want from D4L