What happened to D4L

[Returnofrros]

Voted on by arseholes.

Rightly ignored.

Just for clarity

Are you saying the committee were right to ignore membership cause the membership are arseholes or everybody connected with D4L are arseholes?

[noahrab]

Just for clarity

Are you saying the committee were right to ignore membership cause the membership are arseholes or everybody connected with D4L are arseholes?

For clarity, anyone voting in a ?no confidence? vote.

It was never going to change anything.

Complete waste of energy.

[BCram]

I have discussed the scenario of the vote of no confidence in John Nelms at the Dee4life AGM on 29th November 2025 with several Dee4life members and we agreed that this was the only suitable time to do something about it.
It cannot be done in January due to the Transfer window nor in the period up to the end of the season especially if the team is fighting relegation or the play off spot.
It is not an ideal time to do it immediately after the end of the season as season tickets go on sale nor at the beginning of the next season which brings us back to the end of November at the Dee4life AGM.
Dee4life have another major problem.
At the end of April 2026 they will only have four directors with no Financial Director and no Chairman.
They require a minimum of five directors to operate and they need new blood on the Dee4life board of directors with new ideas to take things forward.
In my opinion the Dee4life board of directors need to state that they will be enforcing the entrenched rights of their A shares and request their Primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors.
The should send an email directly to Tim Keyes requesting their Primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors with immediate effect under rules 79-82 of the Dundee Football Club Limited Articles of Association.
Doing nothing is not an option as they will continue to lose members due to apathy by the current Dee4life board of directors.

Where do you think the credibility of the Dee4life Board would be if they had issued the call for a vote of no confidence in John Nelms? There are many personal posts from posters on TDB forum where the basic theme is "sorry" got this wrong. The appointment of Elvis by John Nelms has not been the disaster that was predicted by many.
It seems to me that there has been a change in the way the club is being run. The manager is running the football side and I hope has more credibility with the owners than any of us thought possible.

I think Dee4life is in a bind. There are those with long memories and are reluctant to move forward. Changing boards is only valuable if there is a change in direction, imo.

Work with the people who work for our club and see where that gets us.

[parcbara]

I think the issue with JN goes way further back than SP's time.

[Returnofrros]

Where do you think the credibility of the Dee4life Board would be if they had issued the call for a vote of no confidence in John Nelms? There are many personal posts from posters on TDB forum where the basic theme is "sorry" got this wrong. The appointment of Elvis by John Nelms has not been the disaster that was predicted by many.
It seems to me that there has been a change in the way the club is being run. The manager is running the football side and I hope has more credibility with the owners than any of us thought possible.

I think Dee4life is in a bind. There are those with long memories and are reluctant to move forward. Changing boards is only valuable if there is a change in direction, imo.

Work with the people who work for our club and see where that gets us.

They have zero credibility.

A group not to be trusted now.

[Returnofrros]

For clarity, anyone voting in a ?no confidence? vote.

It was never going to change anything.

Complete waste of energy.

It wouldn't change anything re Nelms but it would signal a change in direction from D4L.

If there has been no change of direction then I agree a complete waste of time other than highlight that the D4l committee have no intention of holding Nelms to account at all.

BCram imho rather simplifies the matter by making it about Elvis.....it isn't....the unrest with Nelms and the running of the club has went back years now.

Granted there have now been small improvements in the last few months but the suspicion remains for many......myself included.

D4L though seems to be a complete busted flush.

[deecom]

It wouldn't change anything re Nelms but it would signal a change in direction from D4L.

If there has been no change of direction then I agree a complete waste of time other than highlight that the D4l committee have no intention of holding Nelms to account at all.

BCram imho rather simplifies the matter by making it about Elvis.....it isn't....the unrest with Nelms and the running of the club has went back years now.

Granted there have now been small improvements in the last few months but the suspicion remains for many......myself included.

D4L though seems to be a complete busted flush.

The D4L no confidence vote on JN, was meant to be a joint venture with the DSA,
then we find out that three board members on the DSA are empoyees of JOHN NELMS ! therfore it is unlikely that a no confidence
vote on JN would ever take place. D4L are on their own.

[islaydarkblue]

The D4L no confidence vote on JN, was meant to be a joint venture with the DSA,
then we find out that three board members on the DSA are empoyees of JOHN NELMS ! therfore it is unlikely that a no confidence
vote on JN would ever take place. D4L are on their own.

In my opinion employees of John Nelms should not be DSA board members. However the problem the DSA has is that the same board members remain in place every year because none of the secretary’s of the individual DSA affiliated supporters are prepared to put their name forward to be elected to join the DSA board. As a result it is more of the same every year with the DSA board members never complaining about the running of Dundee Football Club by John Nelms come what may providing the DSA get their allocation of tickets for away games every season.
In my opinion the DSA will end up sleep walking into a financial disaster when Tim Keyes stops bankrolling Dundee Football Club.

[islaydarkblue]

The D4L no confidence vote on JN, was meant to be a joint venture with the DSA,
then we find out that three board members on the DSA are empoyees of JOHN NELMS ! therfore it is unlikely that a no confidence
vote on JN would ever take place. D4L are on their own.

At the Dee4life SGM on Saturday 28th February 2026 it was reported by the Chairman that several Dee4life directors had a meeting with several DSA board members but the Chairman did not tell us what was discussed or the outcome of the meeting. The Dee4life Chairman further added that the next meeting with the DSA is due to take place in June 2026.

[BCram]

It wouldn't change anything re Nelms but it would signal a change in direction from D4L.

If there has been no change of direction then I agree a complete waste of time other than highlight that the D4l committee have no intention of holding Nelms to account at all.

BCram imho rather simplifies the matter by making it about Elvis.....it isn't....the unrest with Nelms and the running of the club has went back years now.

Granted there have now been small improvements in the last few months but the suspicion remains for many......myself included.

D4L though seems to be a complete busted flush.

My view was that John Nelms was wholly responsible for the appointment of Elvis. He also made clear that there was a new strategy for really trying to improve players, and at the time I was very sceptical about this idea, which was very firmly nailed on John Nelms, by me and others.
It seems to be working, to the extent that our team is not doomed, yet! The real demonstration that this development strategy will work for us, will be the financial rewards when players leave us for transfer fees.
This side of the plan has not been delivered and I think it will be very easy to judge.
I agree Dee4life needs some new direction but holding feet to the fire will not make any difference, imo.
Better to try to build up support and try to help the people who work for the club.