O/T The Price Of Coal 1977 BBC Drama

[KerrAvon]

I'd like to know if Kerr had been in this position how would he have conducted himself when faced with losing his livelihood & in many cases along with many others seeing the break up of his family
would he have said to the Nottinghamshire,Leicester miners et al Yes I understand your position so it's ok with me for you to continue to work while the rest of us are driven to seeing our families kids etc go without I really don't think so



Come on then Kerr tell us what you would have done
not criticising what others did
What would YOU have done?
It's a very straight forward question

I'm a bit old fashioned in that I would have expected to be given the national ballot that the NUM constitution envisaged and would have politely declined an invitation to intimidate anyone.

[rolymiller]

...and yet not long ago you called for me to be banned...Another inconsistency perhaps...

[KerrAvon]

Do you have a link to that, Roly? I can't recall asking for anyone to be banned and certainly don't understand how I could have asked it in respect of someone as harmless as you.

[KerrAvon]

You asked what had happened to the Notts miners, I answered by pointing out that they had moved on. How you get to that being a slur on you is beyond me.

Of course the government prepared for the strike. The behaviour of the TUs had made it impossible for there not to be a confrontation. In 1974, Heath had run an election upon the question of 'who runs the country'. In the miner's strike, Thatcher asked it again.

How many miners turned up for a polite word with the workers at Orgreave?

[millmoormagic]

You asked what had happened to the Notts miners, I answered by pointing out that they had moved on. How you get to that being a slur on you is beyond me.

Of course the government prepared for the strike. The behaviour of the TUs had made it impossible for there not to be a confrontation. In 1974, Heath had run an election upon the question of 'who runs the country'. In the miner's strike, Thatcher asked it again.

How many miners turned up for a polite word with the workers at Orgreave?

The behaviour of the TU's cost us, not the state... Heath called an election, and lost, Thatcher chose to put in place a plan to actively attack a legitimate trade union, in the name of 'economics' she chose to attack her own people with a plan using the might of the state, interesting you say she "asked the country, no she didn't, maybe she should've called an election instead eh?

Once again, your sheer ignorance of all things 'miners' is clear for all to see, how many police turned up, with cavalry, with riot gear, how strange it was that they actively encouraged everyone into the field, even helping with parking, remember for the weeks before that we were engaged in cat and mouse with the coppers at every road junction leading to Nottinghamshire, all of a sudden we were welcome..., one more thing, we were at Orgreave to stop the lorries, nothing to do with the workers there....



Once again your ignorance is staggering, verging on idiocy,

[animallittle3]

The behaviour of the TU's cost us, not the state... Heath called an election, and lost, Thatcher chose to put in place a plan to actively attack a legitimate trade union, in the name of 'economics' she chose to attack her own people with a plan using the might of the state, interesting you say she "asked the country, no she didn't, maybe she should've called an election instead eh?

Once again, your sheer ignorance of all things 'miners' is clear for all to see, how many police turned up, with cavalry, with riot gear, how strange it was that they actively encouraged everyone into the field, even helping with parking, remember for the weeks before that we were engaged in cat and mouse with the coppers at every road junction leading to Nottinghamshire, all of a sudden we were welcome..., one more thing, we were at Orgreave to stop the lorries, nothing to do with the workers there....



Once again your ignorance is staggering, verging on idiocy,

95 miners were arrested and charged in relation to Orgreave .

All 95 cases collapsed because the evidence presented did not stack up on a number of levels , police fabrication was a key reason .

Compensation was paid out to the miners who were arrested and charged .


According to the information I have , there are almost 800 files from a number of police constabularies that weren't presented to then home secretary Amber Rudd when she announced there wouldn't be an official inquiry into the Battle Of Orgreave .

Based on the collapse of the trials relating to the 95 miners and the reasons offered up and compensated for it is a rather unusual stand not to look at those 800 files in some detail .

There seems to be a lack of enthusiasm from the government to take a step back in time and perhaps let the cat out of the bag .

What are they and who are they seeking to protect ?

A paramilitary style police force backed by the government to violently nullify a trade union perhaps ?

The BBC instructed to show a misleading version of events that occured that day and favoured the government .

Surely this only happens in South American banana republics and North Korea or China and not a democratically elected government in the UK .

Personally they can shove their inquiry up their ring piece for me but I respect those that do want to see this happen .

I suspect only a change of government with Corbyn as PM will be the only likely way any inquiry will be held .

The Tory government will play for time of course , much like they did with the Hillsborough disaster .

[millmoormagic]

95 miners were arrested and charged in relation to Orgreave .

All 95 cases collapsed because the evidence presented did not stack up on a number of levels , police fabrication was a key reason .

Compensation was paid out to the miners who were arrested and charged .


According to the information I have , there are almost 800 files from a number of police constabularies that weren't presented to then home secretary Amber Rudd when she announced there wouldn't be an official inquiry into the Battle Of Orgreave .

Based on the collapse of the trials relating to the 95 miners and the reasons offered up and compensated for it is a rather unusual stand not to look at those 800 files in some detail .

There seems to be a lack of enthusiasm from the government to take a step back in time and perhaps let the cat out of the bag .

What are they and who are they seeking to protect ?

A paramilitary style police force backed by the government to violently nullify a trade union perhaps ?

The BBC instructed to show a misleading version of events that occured that day and favoured the government .

Surely this only happens in South American banana republics and North Korea or China and not a democratically elected government in the UK .

Personally they can shove their inquiry up their ring piece for me but I respect those that do want to see this happen .

I suspect only a change of government with Corbyn as PM will be the only likely way any inquiry will be held .

The Tory government will play for time of course , much like they did with the Hillsborough disaster .

Indeed Animal,

I personally know one of those charged with riot, he's a Rotherham lad, and Silverwood miner, to add, we(as a family, i was only 18) put up one during the trial, from South Wales, a bloke in his fifties and the gentleist fella you'd wish to meet, charged with riot.....

I actually attended much of the trial sitting in the public gallery, on one particular day(s) the copper in charge was giving evidence (Tony Clements) the defending barrister was Michael Mansfield, quite well known now, and he basically proved that Clements was lying through his teeth, most of the time, i've never seen someone with such a high position made to squirm so much, he didn't enjoy being called, quietly, a C**t on his way out either....as we know the trial collapsed, jumped up evidence of which we were to see later at Hillsborough, shame on you SYP, SHAME ON YOU.

[animallittle3]

Indeed Animal,

I personally know one of those charged with riot, he's a Rotherham lad, and Silverwood miner, to add, we(as a family, i was only 18) put up one during the trial, from South Wales, a bloke in his fifties and the gentleist fella you'd wish to meet, charged with riot.....

I actually attended much of the trial sitting in the public gallery, on one particular day(s) the copper in charge was giving evidence (Tony Clements) the defending barrister was Michael Mansfield, quite well known now, and he basically proved that Clements was lying through his teeth, most of the time, i've never seen someone with such a high position made to squirm so much, he didn't enjoy being called, quietly, a C**t on his way out either....as we know the trial collapsed, jumped up evidence of which we were to see later at Hillsborough, shame on you SYP, SHAME ON YOU.

My own personal experience that day was to see clusters of police officers many on horseback indiscriminately dishing out beatings to miners trying to flee the scene .

Anything thrown back towards the police was done to try and defend yourself against the tirade of violence we received .

As I remember the day started peacefully with both miners and police in good spirits .

That soon changed and we were set up to receive a good hiding and put us in our place , no doubt the tory goverment hiding away in oak paneled offices were kept in touch by their paramilitary forces at the scene and lapping it up .

An interesting day on many levels , I had a fair turn of pace at 22 years old and was fit as the proverbial butcher's dog , I was lucky , many were not .

How nobody died that day is beyond me given a single blow to the head can kill you quite easily .

Not that it would have made any difference , if you can cover up the deaths of 96 football fans with rolling tv cameras and broad daylight then a few striking miners wouldn't be a problem I wouldn't have thought .

The crime was to carry on working put food on the table , raise our families and pay the bills .

When you strip it down to the bare bones that was our crime .

Remarkable .

I saw more violence from poll tax protesters dished out to the Met in London and they abolished that shortly afterwards and got rid of Thatcher too .

Even more remarkable .

[rolymiller]

Kerr, you accused me of spoiling a thread and said you wanted to go wah wah to the mods to get me banned. I believe it was on a thread started by ibs which I didn't want to get involved in. Froggy will remember it because he was pissed off with us both for not getting on. Then again you do remember this don't you. Why do you get a kick out of offending decent posters on here showing not one ounce of sympathy for what happened to them. It's shocking really.

[sickly_child]

Tried not to comment on this thread. I come from a mining family father, uncles grand dad etc. The whole thing was traumatic as young 19 year old and became an angry young man for many years. The whole thing was orchestrated to destroy the most powerful union in the country. Thatcher was a bitch.