O/T The meaningful vote.

[Exiletyke]

Could have just done what Labour did and ignore the promise...

Agree Ik
You'll not find me springing to the defence of the indefensible

David Cameron only promised the European referendum because he expected to be in coalition with the Lib Dems – who he thought would block the vote, Donald Tusk has claimed.

A new BBC documentary series, Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil is set to reveal Mr Cameron was warned that his "stupid referendum" about Britain's EU membership could end in personal disaster.

And Mr Tusk, the serving European Council president has revealed Mr Cameron confided that he only promised the 2016 vote because he expected to be in another coalition with the Lib Dems, who would veto it.

Shower of shyte the lot of 'em

[KerrAvon]

Colliers those are Junckers words the telegraph are simply reporting on them .

Unfortunately Mr C that's out of my hands given 432 MP's had a deal which enabled us to leave the EU and honour the referendum result and they declined to do so .

However what ever tactic is getting played out here I'm prepared to put my big boys trousers on and face whatever rather than be forced to accept staying in .

Surely your time would be better spent campaigning within your Labour Party than on here?

You mention the Lisbon Treaty every now and then and encourage others to read it. Have you?

[KerrAvon]

Why are you so angry with Cameron, Exile? Whatever his reasoning, his actions resulted in the referendum, which resulted in the Leave result that you so clearly support.

Shouldn't you save being cross for Labour who seem intent upon either blocking Brexit or leaving on terms that make it hardly worth it?

[Exiletyke]

Let me tell you what I think rather than you telling me what I think If you can't see what his intentions were then you're not reading the article so don't try & make his actions virtuous
We voted over two years ago to leave & what I support is honouring that decision

I do not support anyone who opposes that decision regardless of who they are & that includes you now that you have decided where you stand after two years of fence sitting

Good news about Portugal eh?

[KerrAvon]

Let me tell you what I think rather than you telling me what I think If you can't see what his intentions were then you're not reading the article so don't try & make his actions virtuous
We voted over two years ago to leave & what I support is honouring that decision

I do not support anyone who opposes that decision regardless of who they are & that includes you now that you have decided where you stand after two years of fence sitting

Good news about Portugal eh?

You’ve told me and other users of this and other boards what you think on numerous occasions and in different ways. The trouble seems to start when you are asked why you think what you do and upon what evidence your views are based. It all tends to get a bit flaky at that point...

How about explaining what you are cross with Cameron about? Whatever his motivation, he - backed by 75% or so of Parliament - gave Eurosceptics such as yourself what you wanted. With that being the case, it makes no sense for you to be upset with him. It’s your chum Corbett and his Remainer High Priest and beloved of animal, Keir Starmer, who have aligned themselves to the Tory right to block the process.

Where have I opposed the decision delivered by the referendum, out of interest? I can't recall doing so.

[Exiletyke]

[QUOTE=KerrAvon;39123548]You’ve told me and other users of this and other boards what you think on numerous occasions and in different ways. The trouble seems to start when you are asked why you think what you do and upon what evidence your views are based. It all tends to get a bit flaky at that point...

How about explaining what you are cross with Cameron about? Whatever his motivation, he - backed by 75% or so of Parliament - gave Eurosceptics such as yourself what you wanted. With that being the case, it makes no sense for you to be upset with him. It’s your chum Corbett and his Remainer High Priest and beloved of animal, Keir Starmer, who have aligned themselves to the Tory right to block the process.





You wanted to know about my feelings on Cameron

I list below just some of the reasons for disliking this piece of cowardlly spineless flotsom

Didn't take him two minutes to jump ship when the going looked like getting a little rough & to compare himself with Churchill is just an obscene joke

The referendum leaflet issued under his Premiership has so many biased & even untrue claims when it should have been a document offering the public honest impartial information especially as the taxpayer paid for it [£9 million they said. Double that in reality]
There are many many more examples I could quote but that should be enough to give you a feel as to why I don't like him

During the pre referendum debate
He conceded that trying to control immigration has proved "very challenging" after repeated criticism from the audience and suggested that there will need to be more controls if Britain votes to stay in. In his most passionate intervention to date, the Prime Minister appeared stung by suggestions from an audience member that he is like a "21st century Neville Chamberlain".

In a BBC Question Time debate the Prime Minister was accused by one audience member of being like a "21st century Neville Chamberlain".
The audience member asked how Mr Cameron can make pledges based on his EU referendum deal when "a dictatorship in Europe can overrule it
The question appeared to provoke Mr Cameron, who said: "At my office I sit two yards away from cabinet room where Winston Churchill decided in May to fight on against Hitler. The best and greatest decision perhaps anyone has made in our country. He didn't want to be alone. He wanted to be fighting with the French, the Poles and the others. But he didn't quit. He didn't quit on democracy, he didn't quit on freedom.
"We want to fight for those things today. You can't win if you're not in the room
The Prime Minister said that it was not worth the economic risk of leaving the EU to try to reduce net migration He said: "Is it really worth leaving the single market, damaging our economy to try and make progress with this issue? There's no silver bullet."
Mr Cameron was pressed on why he is threatening a "massive" Budget if Britain leaves the European Union with £30billion worth of cuts and tax rises.
He said: "You don't gain money by leaving the EU, you make your economy smaller. You have a big hole in your public finances. If that happens you have to either allow borrowing to rise, raise taxes or cut spending.
"It's not just the remain side saying this. If we leave and if these experts are right there will be a cost, and we have to make up that cost in some way. I don't want us to go back to square one."
He said that ignoring the experts is like getting into a faulty car with your children on a motorway. He said: "The Leave campaign says lets not listen to experts, but if we are about to get into a car and drive our children on a motorway and the mechanic says the brakes don't work, the mechanics are faulty, we wouldn't get into the car. I say listen to the experts."
Challenged on why he had previously said Britain could prosper outside the EU, he said "Britain always find a way".
He said: "Of course we can find a way outside the EU but it is very very clear that it would be less good."
The Prime Minister accused the Leave campaign of lying about the prospect of Turkey joining the EU, the scale of EU contributions and a European Army.
On Turkey, he repeated his claim that Turkey will not join the EU until the "year 3000".
He said: "I think this is the biggest red herring in this whole referendum debate
"I can't find a single expert who thinks that Turkey's going to join the EU."
He added: "Just like the European Army isn't going to happen, just like the £350million [in EU contributions] . Those things which are on their leaflets are completely not true."

The government referendum leaflet [issued under his Premiership]
Some argue that we could
strike a good deal quickly with
the EU because they want to
keep access to our market.

But the Government’s
judgement is that it would be
much harder than that – less
than 8% of EU exports come
to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU
Millions of UK citizens travel
to Europe each year. The EU
has made this easier and
cheaper.
EU reforms in the 1990s have
resulted in a drop in fares of
over 40% for lower cost flights.


So nowt to do with free market competition so beloved by the Torys
And Corbyn is not my chum btw

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[Exiletyke]

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Enjoyed that YB

[animallittle3]

Well done Labour , now you've turned practically every Pro Brexit Labour stronghold in to a marginal seat .



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ond-referendum

[Exiletyke]

Well done Labour , now you've turned practically every Pro Brexit Labour stronghold in to a marginal seat .



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ond-referendum

Any idea on what they think the result of a 2nd referendum would be?
If you don't know the answer fear not for our visitor from just down the M1 will be along soon to tell us all what we should think
It must be the London bubble effect