OT perspective/ Ukraine/Russia

[Trickytreesreds]

Spot on TTR. As long as it's not Trump. He lost, cried about it. Tried to get a mob to silence the winners and instigate a coup. Sore loser.

He cosied up to Kim. He cosied up to Putin. He even praised Putin over the invasion of Ukraine, calling him a genius. The man wants to move towards a right wing dictatorship, IMO. He wants to change the voting laws so that millions of potential democrat voters are disenfranchised, thereby, all but guaranteeing a republican government at town, city, state and national levels. Do we want that? As human beings we shouldn't.

Yet, the desire to remove anyone at any price, is like walking in a mine field of disaster.
The clown in charge now, scares me rigid, with his obvious lack of awareness of the day of the week.
It's no wonder Putin had the balls to do this.
Biden is the free worlds leader. Right now, I wouldn't trust him to use a free McDonalds token.
The opinions in the states confirm this. He's gone from 62% approval to 43% in a year.
You only have to listen to a speech. His side kick Kamala, is even worse.
Are the yanks even worse off than us for choices? Trump/Biden/ Johnson/Starmer?

[MadAmster]

BTW - if I saw Putin I'd be putting the boot in.

[MadAmster]

If Trump was in power he'd be offering to send troops in to help Putin. He wants to be a tin pot dictator like Putin, Xi and Kim. He really admires that kind of jerk. Looks like half the US population agree with him which is even more frightening.

Something that has happened under Biden is that European NATO Heads of State have, finally, decided to stump up the minimum 2% of GDP for the defence budget. All of Europe has degraded both hardware and personnel in the past 20 years. Nowhere near ready. They will be soon.

NATO. Invite Russia to join. No need for Putin to be afraid of attack as we'd all have his back.

[Trickytreesreds]

If Trump was in power he'd be offering to send troops in to help Putin. He wants to be a tin pot dictator like Putin, Xi and Kim. He really admires that kind of jerk. Looks like half the US population agree with him which is even more frightening.

Something that has happened under Biden is that European NATO Heads of State have, finally, decided to stump up the minimum 2% of GDP for the defence budget. All of Europe has degraded both hardware and personnel in the past 20 years. Nowhere near ready. They will be soon.

NATO. Invite Russia to join. No need for Putin to be afraid of attack as we'd all have his back.

I don't think the NATO upgrade has anything to do with Biden at all.
Last year Biden backed Macrons EU army.
However a Russian war on Europes border has made many of the EU empire idiots realise, that the US led NATO has far more security, than Macrons rag tag bunch.
It's also very telling how the biggest dodges like Germany have suddenly upped the budget as a result and had to cut its grovelling to Putin.
I don't know how any EU lover can slag Trump as a Putin lover, when the EU has become ever reliant on him.
Funny how the tables turn.

[MadAmster]

I don't know how any EU lover can slag Trump as a Putin lover, when the EU has become ever reliant on him.
Funny how the tables turn.

As I'm probably the most vociferous on the TrumpTin Bromance, I take it that this particular sentence is aimed, at least in part, in my general direction.

If you've followed my input to the Brexit thread you will be aware that I am not a great lover of the EU. I'm all for an integrated free trade area. Yes please with knobs on. The corrupt Brussels based political quagmire is a swamp that needs draining and disbanding IMO. The EU should never have been borne out of the Common Market. It should have stayed the way it was. By all means extend the boundaries of the free trade area. Not even Putin would find that threat. Have the European NATO countries get their defensive capability back up to scratch and keep it there. Never let your guard down. We don't need the EU for that.

The EU is still haemorrhaging billions a year. The money comes in, it goes out, but billions are unaccounted for. Where did they go? Nobody knows they say. I suspect a select few do know but aren't telling as they don't want their back pocket emptying.

Trump? He wants the USA turned into a sort of right wing dictatorship where only rednecks have the right to vote and the rest are 2nd class citizens. He'd probably even bring back slavery if he thought he could get away with it although there are already very many US citizens working very hard at multiple minimum wage jobs who still can't afford the basics like health insurance, a solid home and sufficient food who might think that slavery still abounds in a lesser form.

Some parts of this post have been purposely embellished to make a point.

[Trickytreesreds]

As I'm probably the most vociferous on the TrumpTin Bromance, I take it that this particular sentence is aimed, at least in part, in my general direction.

If you've followed my input to the Brexit thread you will be aware that I am not a great lover of the EU. I'm all for an integrated free trade area. Yes please with knobs on. The corrupt Brussels based political quagmire is a swamp that needs draining and disbanding IMO. The EU should never have been borne out of the Common Market. It should have stayed the way it was. By all means extend the boundaries of the free trade area. Not even Putin would find that threat. Have the European NATO countries get their defensive capability back up to scratch and keep it there. Never let your guard down. We don't need the EU for that.

The EU is still haemorrhaging billions a year. The money comes in, it goes out, but billions are unaccounted for. Where did they go? Nobody knows they say. I suspect a select few do know but aren't telling as they don't want their back pocket emptying.

Trump? He wants the USA turned into a sort of right wing dictatorship where only rednecks have the right to vote and the rest are 2nd class citizens. He'd probably even bring back slavery if he thought he could get away with it although there are already very many US citizens working very hard at multiple minimum wage jobs who still can't afford the basics like health insurance, a solid home and sufficient food who might think that slavery still abounds in a lesser form.

Some parts of this post have been purposely embellished to make a point.

Maddy, it wasn't a direct dig at you at all.
I said EU lovers and was on about the hypocrisy.

As for your EU sentiments, I couldn't have ever put it better. The common market was fine. Why does anything to do with free trade, need a political controller deciding anything?
The said controller then uses the free trade card, to impose its agenda on its members.
Give me that and I am happy.
I never voted for a commission.

As for Trump? Who gives a crap?
All I want from an American leader, is someone who leads the free world, as a defensive unit.
Trump warned Europe time and again, about Putin and slapped them for not fulfilling their obligations to NATO.
He was right.

From that perspective, the difference with what we have now, is enormous. Biden doesn't have a clue.
Do I like Trump? Hell no.
But I don't like the drum trial to get rid of him either, with an inept pensioner.

[Andy_Faber]

A couple of mild rebukes for posters who might actually reflect on my comments - TTR I've studied Biden (not just because ofyour comments) and he seems to have good and bad days, and for that matter good and bad moments within days, but have a care for folk with neurological problems, be they manageable (migraine for instance, and I've sounded very much like Biden on one of his bad days - confused, slurring words, meandering etc) or chronic (dementia), neither are avoidable and therefor IMO not for our amusement - his repeated and fluctuating use of his Irish heritage IS,please proceed. Likewise rA, call out Boris for his incompetence etc at will but regarding his appearance and inability to 'mingle', surely that must echo with kids you've taught who were blighted with similar social deficiencies (and again I've suffered from it, amplified by a partner who can rustle up a relationship with anyone in a few seconds, And look great in any old sack). to quote your favourite phrase 'you're better than that'

[ramAnag]

A couple of mild rebukes for posters who might actually reflect on my comments - TTR I've studied Biden (not just because ofyour comments) and he seems to have good and bad days, and for that matter good and bad moments within days, but have a care for folk with neurological problems, be they manageable (migraine for instance, and I've sounded very much like Biden on one of his bad days - confused, slurring words, meandering etc) or chronic (dementia), neither are avoidable and therefor IMO not for our amusement - his repeated and fluctuating use of his Irish heritage IS,please proceed. Likewise rA, call out Boris for his incompetence etc at will but regarding his appearance and inability to 'mingle', surely that must echo with kids you've taught who were blighted with similar social deficiencies (and again I've suffered from it, amplified by a partner who can rustle up a relationship with anyone in a few seconds, And look great in any old sack). to quote your favourite phrase 'you're better than that'

Point taken, Andy.
Tbf it’s quite untypical of me to have a go at people over their ‘social deficiencies’/appearance and I wouldn’t in normal circumstances.
However we’re not talking about you...or kids I’ve taught...we’re talking about our supposed leader and the Prime Minister.
For him every day is an interview day and you and I both know how important first impressions are on such occasions.
Having a leader who constantly looks as if he needs ‘Nanny’ to dress him certainly doesn’t help, but my main point was about the way in which he appeared isolated amongst the other NATO leaders which is just downright bad, and embarrassing, for our country.
I don’t recall such generosity of spirit from the Tory ranks when Michael Foot attended the cenotaph all those years ago, and he at least was a decent and honest man who never actually progressed beyond leader of the opposition.

[Andy_Faber]

Point taken, Andy.
Tbf it’s quite untypical of me to have a go at people over their ‘social deficiencies’/appearance and I wouldn’t in normal circumstances.
However we’re not talking about you...or kids I’ve taught...we’re talking about our supposed leader and the Prime Minister.
For him every day is an interview day and you and I both know how important first impressions are on such occasions.
Having a leader who constantly looks as if he needs ‘Nanny’ to dress him certainly doesn’t help, but my main point was about the way in which he appeared isolated amongst the other NATO leaders which is just downright bad, and embarrassing, for our country.
I don’t recall such generosity of spirit from the Tory ranks when Michael Foot attended the cenotaph all those years ago, and he at least was a decent and honest man who never actually progressed beyond leader of the opposition.

Point(s) taken in return

[MadAmster]

I really need to get down off the fence and say what I really feel