Careless Tories!

[Andy_Faber]

Are you going for a ground source heat pump or an air source one? The ones I've looked at are ground source using boreholes to get maximum heat exchange. Don't get much, if any, change from 50 grand for those though - and given my life expectancy I'm not sure its financially viable - although I guess it would put value on the house for my heirs!

My pal in Newark had to install an air source device as part of his (bloody lovely) new build. His observation is that for everything where he once had hot he now has warm. Not saying that’s good or bad (for him), just an observation. C.£20k all in.

Edit. Supporting geoffs point, it’s killed his hedge

[MadAmster]

Are you going for a ground source heat pump or an air source one? The ones I've looked at are ground source using boreholes to get maximum heat exchange. Don't get much, if any, change from 50 grand for those though - and given my life expectancy I'm not sure its financially viable - although I guess it would put value on the house for my heirs!

Ground source ones over here cost between €6K and €20K

[MadAmster]

With regard to the past, well, my entire Dutch life, we have never had a one party government. We did once have 2 party coalition which was the VVD, right wing liberal pro market and the PvdA, left wing working class party like Labour used to be. The last 3 coalitions have been, in chronological order, 5, 4 and 4 party coalitions. The last 2 have have featured the VVD as the largest party. D66 a centrist party that seems to float between slightly left or slightly right of centre, CDA Christian democrat Alliance, a right of centre party and the CU, Christian Union are religiously and politically right but happy to accept leftist policies that look like good ideas. Ethically they are extremely CONSERVATIVE.

Doesn't help the people still waiting for earthquake compo

[ramAnag]

Puzzled by the implication that Government failings and wrongdoings don’t ‘actually matter’. It’s an odd and complacent assertion. Of course, imo, both ‘careless government’ and the energy crisis/global warming situation are both things of the utmost important. They both ‘actually matter’ a great deal and they do obviously overlap...not least because of the previous PM’s obsession with lifting the ban on fracking.

On the subject of ground source heat pumps, one of my sons actually benefited from a government grant to have such a system installed. My observations are that it isn’t quite as effective at producing heat as my own oil fired system however it is enormously more cost effective and clearly much better for the planet. Unfortunately, before we all get too excited...my son lives in Germany.

[MadAmster]

Puzzled by the implication that Government failings and wrongdoings don’t ‘actually matter’. It’s an odd and complacent assertion. Of course, imo, both ‘careless government’ and the energy crisis/global warming situation are both things of the utmost important. They both ‘actually matter’ a great deal and they do obviously overlap...not least because of the previous PM’s obsession with lifting the ban on fracking.

On the subject of ground source heat pumps, one of my sons actually benefited from a government grant to have such a system installed. My observations are that it isn’t quite as effective at producing heat as my own oil fired system however it is enormously more cost effective and clearly much better for the planet. Unfortunately, before we all get too excited...my son lives in Germany.

The Germans are well ahead of NL in the development and use of batteries. In a few years it will become financially wise to fit one but at the moment feeding excess back into the grid is the more economical choice.

[Geoff Parkstone]

And before we all get too excited, if we all sank boreholes and extracted the heat, wed probably end up with a new ice age....but at least that would combat rising sea levels

[Andy_Faber]

And before we all get too excited, if we all sank boreholes and extracted the heat, wed probably end up with a new ice age....but at least that would combat rising sea levels

My efforts are two fold, one implemented, one planned for summer. Implemented, i fitted a leisure battery to my van, charge it up FOC when travelling, then convert the stored energy from 12v to 240v with an inverter I got from Aldi and run half my house lighting off it. Planned, a small bank of solar panels on my back roof (east facing) that I will fit myself and cable in to an immersion heater to heat (75% over the year of) my hot water. Off grid.

[MadAmster]

I currently pay 20 eurocents per kwH. That's what I'll get back as well once the panels are up and running. If the govt plans go through it will reduce to around 9c per KwH. What I pay will remain at 20c for the next 2 and a bit years until my current deal runs out.

[swaledale]

Just when one thought the Tories couldn't get any wackier, Liz Truss reappears and pens a bizarre 4,00 word piece which the Torygraph - already being ridiculed for its front page piece trying to rehabilitate Prince Andrew, publishes it on its front page, together with the a picture of the self deluded gormless, lying ****wit! Jeez, this lot really do ahve their heads so far up their own arses they just haven't a clue!

So there lies ahead some interesting times, it seems both Truss and possibly Johnson will be waiting in the wings for Sunak to fail to improve the Tory party's election prospects. Mind you at the same time they seem to be actively working behind the scenes to derail him anyway, outright internecine war fare within the Tory party will break out, which can only be good news.

Meanwhile, my bet would be, that if Sunak remains a PM into 2024, Farage, will somehow manoeuvre himself into leading either the Reform Party or some other right wing loony party funded by a billionaire who is looking to cause mischief. If that happens the Tory party could well be toast!

[ramAnag]

Just when one thought the Tories couldn't get any wackier, Liz Truss reappears and pens a bizarre 4,00 word piece which the Torygraph - already being ridiculed for its front page piece trying to rehabilitate Prince Andrew, publishes it on its front page, together with the a picture of the self deluded gormless, lying ****wit! Jeez, this lot really do ahve their heads so far up their own arses they just haven't a clue!

So there lies ahead some interesting times, it seems both Truss and possibly Johnson will be waiting in the wings for Sunak to fail to improve the Tory party's election prospects. Mind you at the same time they seem to be actively working behind the scenes to derail him anyway, outright internecine war fare within the Tory party will break out, which can only be good news.

Meanwhile, my bet would be, that if Sunak remains a PM into 2024, Farage, will somehow manoeuvre himself into leading either the Reform Party or some other right wing loony party funded by a billionaire who is looking to cause mischief. If that happens the Tory party could well be toast!

The possibility of Farage returning via some mega rich sponsored right wing party is a dreadful thought. Will we never learn? Possibly not given the gullibility of the electorate in recent times.

As for Truss...apparently she still believes she was right but was never given a chance by the ‘left wing economic establishment’. Yes...she really did say that!