OT Border Control State of Emergency

[Stovicmiller]

How would you stop it, Bill?

To start with give em **** all when they get here . Definitely not nice warm hotels with three meals a day , clothes phones , discounted tickets for rothervalley dinghy and sailing trips , I did hear that they reached the other side of the lake and tried to claim asylum again . It was in a national newspaper about Rotherham council giving discounts so don’t know if that’s true. Give em cardboard to sleep under like our homeless.

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https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1955...a5CJQSL-fc1GEg

Unbelievable the police, lawyers, politicians are not on our side.

[KerrAvon]

https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1955...a5CJQSL-fc1GEg

Unbelievable the police, lawyers, politicians are not on our side.

What offence do you think he should have been arrested for?

[ragingpup]

To start with give em **** all when they get here . Definitely not nice warm hotels with three meals a day , clothes phones , discounted tickets for rothervalley dinghy and sailing trips , I did hear that they reached the other side of the lake and tried to claim asylum again . It was in a national newspaper about Rotherham council giving discounts so don?’t know if that?’s true. Give em cardboard to sleep under like our homeless.

Rotherham council allow people "living in Rotherham under a government approved refugee, resettlement or asylum seeker programme" to apply for a Rothercard that gets them a discount for services at Rother Valley Park. This is along with other locals on low incomes and a range of benefits. I think that the main focus here is to make the scheme inclusive to people granted refugee status but still setting up their lives in the area on low incomes so that they can pay to use the services therby generating income for the park and council.

I've read the Sun/Express reports on this and whilst it is factually correct that people arriving illegally and NOT yet had their claim processed and therefore can access this scheme, it should be said that boat hire is ?13 an hour and AS in this position only gets ?9.95 an hour so I am sure that only genuine refugees setting up to work but on low incomes would actually be accessing this offer.

I guess that RMBC could be clearer in saying words to the effect of 'you are eligible only if you have been granted refugee status or waiting for your claim to be processed by legal routes' but I would imagine that would be an additional prohibitave checking ball ache for the schemes administrators, who are more aware that people awaiting for their claim to be processed will not be able to afford to sail a boat in a park for an hour anyway*

*I accept that many people will argue that asylum seekers are given plenty enough money by the state to comfortably afford a boat, and will arrive at the park in a mercedez benz (gifted by state) and undertake criminal activities whilst on their boats using mobile phones (gifted by the state) but I can only reply as usual that such arguments will be due to it's proposor's inability to tell a refugee from an asylum seeker, anyone that looks brown or black from an asylum seeker or has been told all about it from their cousin Bob.

[KerrAvon]

That's just silly.

How much of the food consumed in thus country comes via Calais? Would you like that to shut off along with all other trade with the EU who would support the French? What about electricity imports?

[Spuddy Speight]

That's just silly.

How much of the food consumed in this country comes via Calais? Would you like that to be shut off along with all other trade with the EU who would support the French? What about electricity imports?

The UK is indeed being held over a barrel. We still need to comply with the EU whether we like it or not. For the foreseeable future we have to suck it up and accommodate many people travelling to the UK from far away places.
It's one huge trade off.

[ragingpup]

The UK is indeed being held over a barrel. We still need to comply with the EU whether we like it or not. For the foreseeable future we have to suck it up and accommodate many people travelling to the UK from far away places.
It's one huge trade off.

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

No but it?s their destination of choice

[UlleyMiller]

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

SS is right that the UK is over a barrel, and that's the reason any solution must be diplomatic - we have very little leverage. Unlike most EU countries we'll likely be the target end point for all migrants entering (others will be either an end point or part of the journey, so even with a very difficult number to report already, the numbers in the EU will be less informative than those for the UK).

You don't need to be especially well-travelled, or an expert researcher to get sight of the reality though. Italy, Germany, Greece and France all have migrant populations which are (at least to my tourist eye) seemingly less than legal. In Italy the locals speak pretty openly about the migrants being put to work by organised crime rings, and seeing how they operate in other places I'd imagine it's not dissimilar. I appreciate why UK residents feel we're worst hit, and many seem to have theories and even form opinions on how political parties would quickly resolve the problem, but I've yet to see any solution which is workable (aside from those which would financially cripple us).

I didn't vote in 2016 (mainly because I felt the whole thing was ridiculous, not because of any leaning in either direction), but it seems clear to me that the outcome has massively impacted our ability to be part of a meaningful solution. Thousands of miles of coastline and huge options on land just to enter Europe make it relatively easy to access, so the solution will never be 'manning the line'. It's a huge, complex problem, and I'd be reluctant to think anyone sat sharing opinions online would be close to finding the answer.

[KerrAvon]

If you mean that we have to maintain working relationships with our trading partners then I agree with you. And given that the size of the UK makes us the junior party in the relationship between us and the EU is an inevitable consequence of the referendum vote.