O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[WanChaiMiller]

It's not meant to be a permanent solution but a starting point.

The fact is, it's impossible to negotiate with the EU when you're still a member.

And leaving with an advantageous deal from the EU was going to be the easiest thing in the world. My fear is that many will go bust waiting for these new deals to materialise.

Just look at the mess of China and USA.

[gm_gm]

And leaving with an advantageous deal from the EU was going to be the easiest thing in the world. My fear is that many will go bust waiting for these new deals to materialise.

Just look at the mess of China and USA.

It could have been much easier, we started negotiating from the weakest point. We have May and Starma discussing policies what a joke they both want it sabotaging.

What I hate is people trying to repackage, rebrand and resell democracy to us.

[BigLadonOS]

Im waiting for s reply from big lad. But, seeing as you jumped in maybe youd like to answer the question.

We already trade under WTO rules to over 20 countries or didn't you know that?

The only difference would be that those WTO deals would come back to us to negotiate instead of the EU negotiating on our behalf.

WTO rules would allows us to set those tariffs ourselves and have no responsibility to the other EU countries which is what happens now.

The tariffs set by the EU via the WTO means we have to prop up other countries trade deficits etc and not just responsible for our own.

Under EU laws we as a country are not allowed to make our own trade deals with anyone outside the EU states. Thats frucking pathetic isn't it? or are you happy with that?

[BigLadonOS]

We already trade under WTO rules to over 20 countries or didn't you know that?

The only difference would be that those WTO deals would come back to us to negotiate instead of the EU negotiating on our behalf.

WTO rules would allows us to set those tariffs ourselves and have no responsibility to the other EU countries which is what happens now.

The tariffs set by the EU via the WTO means we have to prop up other countries trade deficits etc and not just responsible for our own.

Under EU laws we as a country are not allowed to make our own trade deals with anyone outside the EU states. Thats frucking pathetic isn't it? or are you happy with that?

It wont let me edit my last post so here is something else you might like to think about.

Once we have left the EU there is nothing stopping us from getting together with any of the countries outside the EU and setting up our own trading group! We could form our own small type of EU (obviously not called the EU LOL) in trade deals. Also the EU would still want to trade with us and would have to come to us with a WTO plan or the remaining countries in the EU could not trade with us.

We would be back in control with our fisheries deals our farming deals etc as of right now the EU has control of all of that.

The structure is already set up so it should be pretty easy to get the ball rolling fairly fast. Obviously there is going to be a time where it might get a little worse before it gets better but even if we stay in the EU under the current reforms the EU want to make it was going that way anyway. The EU starting from next year want us to provide another 10 billion pounds on top of what we already pay to help prop up the countries in the union whose infrastructure and rising costs need helping out. That 10 billion alone is more than enough to cover any tariff increase (if there is any increase at all) by trading to the WTO via the EU

Get out while we can before the EU collapses and brings us down with it.

[animallittle3]

Does anyone truly understand the referendum result is the big question animal. As RP and Monty have alluded to you could ask 100 Brexiters the question what do you want from Brexit and they would all come up with a different answer. There should have been 2 votes in the original referendum. Do you want to leave or remain? If you do want to leave how do you want to do it? Of course you couldn't do that till you knew what the options were. No fecker knew what the options were 3 years ago. It was a stupid question to start with far too simplistic as it has proved or we wouldn't still be debating it 3 years on.

I voted to leave the EU and end having rules and regulations thrust upon us from a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels .

I also wished to see the end of cheap labour migration and the reason companies such as Amazon are springing up right , left and centre and are no more than Victorian workhouses .

I haven't a problem with skilled job shortages just for balance .

I'm appalled that EU regulation prevents ones own government from protecting 4k steel jobs and a further 24k in the supply chain although it's debatable whether the current government has any appetite to protect those jobs but lets stick to what we know on this point .

Globalisation is killing country's such as the UK and the US , once proud skilled manufacturing jobs are now replaced by stacking shelves at Walmart in Pennsylvania or working for Amazon in Swansea for buttons an hour .

The EU are complicit in Globalisation .

Any left wing . or Labour man worth his salt would think the same , apparently not it seems .

It's high time governments took control over their country's instead of bureaucrats in Brussels , w@nkers in the city of London and big corporations .

Leaving the EU is the start of that process in my opinion .

[BigLadonOS]

I voted to leave the EU and end having rules and regulations thrust upon us from a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels .

I also wished to see the end of cheap labour migration and the reason companies such as Amazon are springing up right , left and centre and are no more than Victorian workhouses .

I haven't a problem with skilled job shortages just for balance .

I'm appalled that EU regulation prevents ones own government from protecting 4k steel jobs and a further 24k in the supply chain although it's debatable whether the current government has any appetite to protect those jobs but lets stick to what we know on this point .

Globalisation is killing country's such as the UK and the US , once proud skilled manufacturing jobs are now replaced by stacking shelves at Walmart in Pennsylvania or working for Amazon in Swansea for buttons an hour .

The EU are complicit in Globalisation .

Any left wing . or Labour man worth his salt would think the same , apparently not it seems .

It's high time governments took control over their country's instead of bureaucrats in Brussels , w@nkers in the city of London and big corporations .

Leaving the EU is the start of that process in my opinion .

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[rolymiller]

Decent critique of the EU animal BUT what do we replace it with. What happens when we come out?What do you want to happen? Which party will deliver what you want? Can it be delivered? I have to say that I have no faith whatsoever that this govt will have a clue what to do next if we do come out. Do you believe that everything will be hunky dory when we come out? Would it just be a case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?

[BigLadonOS]

Decent critique of the EU animal BUT what do we replace it with. What happens when we come out?What do you want to happen? Which party will deliver what you want? Can it be delivered? I have to say that I have no faith whatsoever that this govt will have a clue what to do next if we do come out. Do you believe that everything will be hunky dory when we come out? Would it just be a case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?

There is bound to be problems but no worse problems then there usually is when one party takes over from another in a GE

[WanChaiMiller]

WTO rules would allows us to set those tariffs ourselves and have no responsibility to the other EU countries which is what happens now.

I will just stop you here. WTO does not allow us to set our own tariffs.

[Exiletyke]

Where do I find the numbering system on these replies?

Where it says on the red banner
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Can't believe you can't see number of post top right