O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[BigLadonOS]

WCM is an importer you know, but isn't prepared to say what kind of goods he imports
Can't imagine why
Think he might be playing silly b uggers

I think you may be right. And I wont even bother telling him that in either EU laws or WTO laws 57% of our exports or already tariff free under both sets of laws. lol

[KerrAvon]

I think this element of the thread neatly demonstrates the fallacy within the argument that 'the 2016 referendum shouldn't have been based on a simple leave/remain question'.


Think you've got your logic mixed up Kerr ie demonstrates the "fallacy" shouldn't have been based on a simple question Fallacy being the wrong word
What would your version of the ballot paper have said?
& right on cue Kerr buggers off when questions become difficult [just like Cameron]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

My version of the ballot paper would be identical to the one used in 2016. That's my point.

[Exiletyke]

How?

Parliament voted to trigger Article 50. The government duly gave notice to the EU, which meant that we would leave after two years, with or without a deal, unless we asked for an extension and the EU27 unanimously agreed to allow one.

Parliament has refused to agree the only deal that the EU says it will offer.

Assuming that the EU will not reopen the deal and Parliament isn't going to have a change of heart on it, the only options now are leave without a deal or revoke Article 50 and remain.

As Exile has noticed, the leave date isn't set in stone and we could ask for a further extension, but I don't believe that the new PM will ask and I don't think the EU would unanimously agree. What would be the point?

Attempts to 'take no deal of the table' have been a significant part of the problem. In negotiating terms it was analogous to going into a car showroom, telling the salesman that you are definitely going to buy a particular car (a deal) and then expecting to be offered a really good price.

Why wouldn't they agree at £1billion per month As I said before "kerching" it's the language the EU understands very well

[ragingpup]

1 Just where do you get "that the majority of the country don't want" from &
2 don't know how you have the nerve to use the term "democratic"
Didn't the majority of the country vote to leave without any mention of a deal on the ballot paper & it's arguments like this that you & the Soubry's of this world propound together with a PM that couldn't negotiate her way out of a wet paper bag have served to get us in this position
She & her ilk don't accept the democratic will of the electorate & have relentlessly conspired through arguments that your latest post exemplifies & which results in the UK continuing to pay into project EU at the rate of £1 billion per month, that will be £7 billion by Halloween

1. If going by referendum, 48% of population plus the % of leaves who don't want no deal.

2. As wendum said, the vote was screwed because it didn't indicate how we were to leave and now without a rewording none of the outcomes carry the wishes of the majority as expressed back then.

If we're to get a majority verdict we'd need a clearer choice of outcome so people are clear about what they are voting for and politicians are clearer about what they are being instructed to do.

What you are trying to do, and I completely understand your passion for the cause (I'm no fan of the EU) is hijack the result of the referendum, and the inability of politicians to agree a process and outcome, to get a No Deal. In happy to leave the EU, but not on those terms.

[Exiletyke]

Good news that May's leaving with a tear in her eye but will just be around for Trumps visit before she b uggers off
She wouldn't miss that for the world

[BigLadonOS]

As far as trade outside the EU is concerned for the UK most are happy to set up a private deal with the UK that are either the same as the ones we have via the EU or set up a new deal on better terms than we already have via the EU. Infact as of right now (the last time I checked) we already have about 30 deals set up with other countries once we leave the EU. Some of these deals also include free trade both ways.

Hmmmmmmmmm so much for trade will die if we leave the EU hahahahaha. **** off project fear.

[Exiletyke]

1. If going by referendum, 48% of population plus the % of leaves who don't want no deal.

2. As wendum said, the vote was screwed because it didn't indicate how we were to leave and now without a rewording none of the outcomes carry the wishes of the majority as expressed back then.

If we're to get a majority verdict we'd need a clearer choice of outcome so people are clear about what they are voting for and politicians are clearer about what they are being instructed to do.

What you are trying to do, and I completely understand your passion for the cause (I'm no fan of the EU) is hijack the result of the referendum, and the inability of politicians to agree a process and outcome, to get a No Deal. In happy to leave the EU, but not on those terms.

What you are trying to do, and I completely understand your passion for the cause (I'm no fan of the EU) is hijack the result of the referendum, and the inability of politicians to agree a process and outcome, to get a No Deal. In happy to leave the EU, but not on those terms.

Hijack the result of the referendum
Are you for real?

Pray tell on what terms you would be happy to leave on?
When I say leave I mean leave [just for clarity's sake]

[ragingpup]

Doesn't seem to be sinking in rp No Deal is the default position
Revocation of Article 50 would seem to be the only other course of action & just imagine the sh1t storm that would cause
I do hope that this debacle & the expected EU results in UK sees an end to the two party FPTP system although I won't hold my breath

Parliament agreed that No Deal was the default at the outset. Since then, many things have become apparent : the financial implications of No Deal, the difficulty of achieving a deal, Northern Ireland. As a result, many people in Parliament and in the public have come to the conclusion that no deal is not desirable and moved towards appropriate legislation to prevent it. It remains the default position, but unfortunately for you but fortunately for others, that default position will not be allowed to pass. At least not without public confirmation I would think.

[Exiletyke]

Parliament agreed that No Deal was the default at the outset. Since then, many things have become apparent : the financial implications of No Deal, the difficulty of achieving a deal, Northern Ireland. As a result, many people in Parliament and in the public have come to the conclusion that no deal is not desirable and moved towards appropriate legislation to prevent it. It remains the default position, but unfortunately for you but fortunately for others, that default position will not be allowed to pass. At least not without public confirmation I would think.

Do you mean financial implications or opinions on the financial implications They have not become apparent at all

[ragingpup]

What you are trying to do, and I completely understand your passion for the cause (I'm no fan of the EU) is hijack the result of the referendum, and the inability of politicians to agree a process and outcome, to get a No Deal. In happy to leave the EU, but not on those terms.

Hijack the result of the referendum
Are you for real?

Pray tell on what terms you would be happy to leave on?
When I say leave I mean leave [just for clarity's sake]

I mean leave with the best deal we could negotiate. May's deal wasn't great, but better than no deal. It wouldn't get through parliament, but nor would no deal. Just not clear if a hard brexiter can force a default no deal against parliaments wishes?