O/T Coronavirus Thread (4)

[WanChaiMiller]

lots to learn from China? What like how to eat cats n dogs and most known species of animals. Wet markets. They have given this virus to the world. Four hundred thousand deaths world wide.

I see it as a natural disaster. We've never before asked a country for compensation in this way. Are we going to do the same every year when a new flu strain hits?

There is more behind this than simply who is to blame. China is on the rise. The response to China is about the balance of world economic power; to stop their Belt and Road global development strategy.* China is a threat to the economic stranglehold European Colonialists has held on the world the past 400 years.

Trump has used the pandemic strategically as a counter punch and fixed the blame on China.* There is heavy support for him in Australia and from White Nationalists in South Africa who see their place in the world order under threat.

When Thatcher created the Single Market it was to rebuild Europe as the dominant Economic powerhouse. In the 80s Japan was the growing powerhouse in the East with the USA in the West - she recognised each European country on its own was too weak to stand up to them. Brexit has split that apart. Brexit Britain is like lying on its back legs akimbo. China is marching in through the door in Europe and throughout the world.*

There is no economic defense. The focus has shifted to using a social mechanism of turning public opinion against China. Youve been roped into the campaign.

When Powel said one day the black man will hold the whip hand I dont think anyone ever thought it would be through Asians owning our major industries. A Chinese billionaire can buy a championship football club for loose change - a fraction of the price of an average 3 bedroom flat in some major cities around Asia.

But, that was not my point, which you well know. I was saying we could have learned from the way China dealt with the crisis. It would have given us a head start. Instead we were more concerned with condemnation of the regime.

[flourbasher]

I see it as a natural disaster. We've never before asked a country for compensation in this way. Are we going to do the same every year when a new flu strain hits?

There is more behind this than simply who is to blame. China is on the rise. The response to China is about the balance of world economic power; to stop their Belt and Road global development strategy.* China is a threat to the economic stranglehold European Colonialists has held on the world the past 400 years.

Trump has used the pandemic strategically as a counter punch and fixed the blame on China.* There is heavy support for him in Australia and from White Nationalists in South Africa who see their place in the world order under threat.

When Thatcher created the Single Market it was to rebuild Europe as the dominant Economic powerhouse. In the 80s Japan was the growing powerhouse in the East with the USA in the West - she recognised each European country on its own was too weak to stand up to them. Brexit has split that apart. Brexit Britain is like lying on its back legs akimbo. China is marching in through the door in Europe and throughout the world.*

There is no economic defense. The focus has shifted to using a social mechanism of turning public opinion against China. Youve been roped into the campaign.

When Powel said one day the black man will hold the whip hand I dont think anyone ever thought it would be through Asians owning our major industries. A Chinese billionaire can buy a championship football club for loose change - a fraction of the price of an average 3 bedroom flat in some major cities around Asia.

But, that was not my point, which you well know. I was saying we could have learned from the way China dealt with the crisis. It would have given us a head start. Instead we were more concerned with condemnation of the regime.

I know you'll not buy into this conspiracy theory but what about the Chinese intentionally introducing the virus to bring down capitalism. It's certainly done that and we,ve yet to see how much.
Cover the tracks by claiming it got out of control in an animal market and the rest is history.

I realise It's a bit of a mixture between a Donald Trump tweet and a Future Hollywood script but we don't really know the facts yet. We may never know.

Fully agree we should have learnt quicker and from China and the other SE Asian countries

[flourbasher]

The R Number is quite high in the NW of England.
I wonder if that has anything to do with a lot of lockdown fines having to be issued and a disproportionate number of parties / gatherings taking place in the past.
Too complicated for it to be the only reason but I has to have contributed

One area of the south of England is also on the rise though.

[WanChaiMiller]

I know you'll not buy into this conspiracy theory but what about the Chinese intentionally introducing the virus to bring down capitalism. It's certainly done that and we,ve yet to see how much.
Cover the tracks by claiming it got out of control in an animal market and the rest is history.

The conspiracy theory for China to bring down capitalism makes no sense. Its not the direction China is travelling. They are globalist investing vast sums worldwide. Their local industries rely on world trade. They are introducing huge numbers Western brands into their domestic markets (many US stores, brands, fast foods, etc).

Xi Jinping is on record saying he wants to bring prosperity to the people of China and yhe method is through world trade. It is happening. Their economy and plans rely on strong capitalist markets worldwide.

Just my thoughts and why I dont buy into this theory.

[gm_gm]

The conspiracy theory for China to bring down capitalism makes no sense. Its not the direction China is travelling. They are globalist investing vast sums worldwide. Their local industries rely on world trade. They are introducing huge numbers Western brands into their domestic markets (many US stores, brands, fast foods, etc).

Xi Jinping is on record saying he wants to bring prosperity to the people of China and yhe method is through world trade. It is happening. Their economy and plans rely on strong capitalist markets worldwide.

Just my thoughts and why I dont buy into this theory.

The economy is global, China can not thrive without worldwide trade they can not trade within a vacuum, its nonsense to suggest this is some sort conspiracy.

Just look at HSBC (who I intensely dislike even though I bank with them), they support China's intervention in HK

[Exiletyke]

Just look at HSBC (who I intensely dislike even though I bank with them), they support China's intervention in HK

I like a man of principle [principal take your pick]

[gm_gm]

I like a man

It’s 2020 so each to their own

[Exiletyke]

It’s 2020 so each to their own

Is that your best shot?

[flourbasher]

The conspiracy theory for China to bring down capitalism makes no sense. Its not the direction China is travelling. They are globalist investing vast sums worldwide. Their local industries rely on world trade. They are introducing huge numbers Western brands into their domestic markets (many US stores, brands, fast foods, etc).

Xi Jinping is on record saying he wants to bring prosperity to the people of China and yhe method is through world trade. It is happening. Their economy and plans rely on strong capitalist markets worldwide.

Just my thoughts and why I dont buy into this theory.

Been out all day so only just seen this.
What about a slightly less extreme conspiracy theory.
Whilst not wanting to eradicate capitalism, the Chinese may wish to accelerate their ascendancy to the top or if they think they are at the top now then at least to maintain their position.
Push some other countries down the ladder when they are vulnerable and then cement their position at the top.
Other counties will probably bounce back but China now has the upper hand

[WanChaiMiller]

I know you'll not buy into this conspiracy theory but what about the Chinese intentionally introducing the virus to bring down capitalism. It's certainly done that and we,ve yet to see how much.
Cover the tracks by claiming it got out of control in an animal market and the rest is history.

Flour - I'll just add. There is a sea change inside China in the last few years. Both in terms of improved standards of living and strategy.

Up to now China has been seen as the cheap labour base to the west.* Their role has always been the low end of the supply chain, in manufacture and assembly work.

US and Western brands operate in China essentially as sourcing agents. They control purchasing, product development, manufacturing processes and price - their scale allowed them to weald power without ever owning anything.

The big money is being made in the west.

So, take, say, Apple. They design, market, sell and make the profits in the US. Of a £500 phone, only, £4 is spent in China.

Xi wants to change that. They want to develop their own brands to retain a higher proportion of revenue in China. Its why Huawei has become so contentious (a bit of a metaphor for the trade war). They could take massive chunks of the market away from Apple (and therefore the US economy). Multiply that out across many brands.

The Belt and Road plan make inroads into developing economies, Africa, Pakistan and Asia, and China introduce their own products and services to the market place. The USA and West lose key influence in emerging markets.

Of the 7 billion population, 4.5b is in Asia and 1.2bn in Africa. Trump has pulled the US out of the ASEAN trade deal and ignored Africa allowing China in causing self inflicted damage.