O/T:- Mr George Floyd RIP

[the_anticlough]

This is a fascinating, and alarming, subject UTM. The word 'woman' meaning adult human female is being eradicated by trans rights activists. In fact the TRAs are coming for everything female: safe spaces for women which are enshrined in law, our sports, our loos, and most worryingly of all, children - who are being given puberty blockers.

Distinctly average sportsmen are identifying as female and winning women's and girls. sports events, despite the obvious advantage that male puberty had given them. Anyone speaking out about this is met with bullying and abuse, for example Sharron Davies Dame Kelly Holmes and Denise Lewis.

Women have been sacked from their jobs for asserting the correct scientific definition of a female, and an ex cop had the police call him to 'check his thinking' and contact his employers when he tweeted something someone somewhere considered 'gender critical'. This was then recorded as a hate incident....

We've had a male rapist being transferred to a women's prison, because he says he's a woman so of course he is one, and then ***ually assaulting female prisoners. Quelle surprise as they say.

In the meantime those of you with young daughters might like to know that M&S allow people to use whichever changing room 'they feel comfortable' in and men are now free to use women and girls' underwear changing rooms. In fact there are websites where men share their experiences (fetish) of trying on women's underwear - and what they do whilst in the changing rooms - next to young girls, adult women and elderly women. John Lewis also allow men in women's changing rooms and I've seen a man boasting online about what he does in women's changing rooms in Nottingham, with photos.

Just as depressingly, Lisa Nandy, Jo Swindon and Rebecca Long- Bailey all seemed unable to actually identify what a woman is, despite of course being one. Thank god for Emma Nicholson, J K Rowling and others who aren't afraid to speak up, despite the horrendous abuse they receive as a result. I realise this is somewhat off topic, but it's a really important subject.

I have three young daughters, the eldest of which agrees with the trans cause. I'm totally with you though, the concessions being made lead directly to the abuses you mention. Make society a fairer and kinder place and it should be easier to ask people to live according to the hand they've been dealt. While we're waiting for that, tough, we can't 'liberalise' to the extent that half the population have to worry each time they need some privacy in public. I'm going to pass on what you've written. I don't doubt a single word of it.

[Riverleeno]

The SDP is a very fringe political party comprising of some of the dregs of UKIP. Literally no elected representatives in the whole country(councillors or otherwise)

I’m not saying I agree with all elements of the BLM campaign, you’ve highlighted some of the more questionable objectives, To write the whole thing off as a Trojan Horse far left plot is a bit unfair. .

The SDP as a political party stand or fall by the votes cast for them.
The BLM are not a charity (so no oversight of their funds and how they use those funds)
The BLM isn't a political party so you won't get the chance to vote for them (or not)
The 'questionable objectives' are just as much part of their aims as the ones you like.
A pressure group can be very powerful if those who oppose it can be labelled racist.

[cher1]

I have three young daughters, the eldest of which agrees with the trans cause. I'm totally with you though, the concessions being made lead directly to the abuses you mention. Make society a fairer and kinder place and it should be easier to ask people to live according to the hand they've been dealt. While we're waiting for that, tough, we can't 'liberalise' to the extent that half the population have to worry each time they need some privacy in public. I'm going to pass on what you've written. I don't doubt a single word of it.

Agree with all of that. Schools have been using a 'transgender toolkit' which has resulted in ****age boys being allowed in girls' loos at schools. A brave ****age girl started court action and the toolkit is being quietly dropped across the country now. Thank god.

There are many examples of sports people born male competing in women's sport. Rachel McKinnon (although I think Rachel now goes by the name Veronica Ivy after it got a bit awkward when Rachel tweeted that they hoped women would' die in a grease fire') Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer etc There are also trans women playing womens rugby. Can you imagine the physical danger faced by women playing rugby against a man?

Any perfectly reasonable questions to these athletes results in torrents of abuse. Sharron Davies can attest to that. So can I actually!

Karen White is the prisoner I was referring to. I'm all for treating everyone equally but that's not what is happening here, as you say. The Guardian for example, when discussing trans issues, will refer to women as 'cis' women, as TRAs get very angry about women being called women for some reason. I'd also suggest your daughter reads up on the Vancouver Rape Relief and Womens Shelter (they were defunded as they only care for...well...actual women and have had rats nailed to their door), Maya Forstater, and the judicial review into the Tavistock Clinic which was rather keen on giving young people puberty blockers.

Equality for one group mustn't come about at the expense of another (particularly another groups actual safety), otherwise it cant really be called equality can it.

[cher1]

The starred out word is t e e n btw. How odd

[BigFatPie]

The SDP as a political party stand or fall by the votes cast for them.
The BLM are not a charity (so no oversight of their funds and how they use those funds)
The BLM isn't a political party so you won't get the chance to vote for them (or not)
The 'questionable objectives' are just as much part of their aims as the ones you like.
A pressure group can be very powerful if those who oppose it can be labelled racist.

So unless you agree with every stated objective of a political campaign you have to dismiss them?
That’s an interesting viewpoint.

[navypie]

So unless you agree with every stated objective of a political campaign you have to dismiss them?
That’s an interesting viewpoint.

Bit rich.

[navypie]

Driller, you’re quoting some extremely dodgy sources there, and I wouldn’t base your opinions on the BLM campaign on what they have to say.

This is from their GoFundMe page. I consider myself left of centre, and there’s not much I disagree with.

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.


We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.


We’re developing new and exciting ways of organising that centre transparency, accountability, safety and healing for our organisers and our communities. BLMUK organises in the black radical tradition, using political education, direct action and political leadership toward black liberation.


Our commitment to all black lives means that we lift up the experiences of the most marginalised in our communities, including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, *** workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people.

Nothing can be done without resource in the climate we live in. These donations are to support UKBLM’s work with black communities across the UK. This is an evolving fund to support black life against institutional racism and enable radical reminaging/knowledge production from within our communities.


Wagwan in Babylon Britain?


Black communities are hardest hit by the Coronavirus pandemic. Black people are dying at up to four times the rate of their white counterparts. This is racism.


Black communities are decimated by the hostile environment policies, the Windrush Scandal was the tip of the iceberg. This is racism.


Over 1700 people have died in police custody since 1990, the most violent examples being black men. Black people in the UK are more likely to be in prison than those in the US. This is racism.


Black workers are paid up to 20% less than their white counterparts: that is the racial wage, and part of the cost of being black in Britain. This is racism.


The UK Taxpayer was paying for the Reparations of UK slave owners up until 2015, as reported by the Bank of England. If it was possible for Reparations to be given to slave owners and their families, including David Cameron’s, then the reparations of black people dealing with generational trauma and institutional racism is wholly possible. The redistribution of wealth is a key factor of allyship in 2020.


How we’ll spend the funds!


- Work towards making change at the level of law.
- Developing and distributing educational resources.
- Developing and delivering healing practices in black communities.
- Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK.
- Supporting the United Family & Friends Campaign (UFFC) in accessing justice for friends and loved ones killed at the hands of British police.
- Providing emergency relief to black communities bearing the brunt of the Coronavirus crisis

Important note


We’re especially calling on big business who have historically profited from the cheap labour and cultural production of poor black communities. Actions speak louder than words, so say #BlackLivesMatter with your profits.


We are internationalists!


We fight for our extended black family dying across the globe before and during the Global lockdown. Nine**** year old Adil, killed by police in Belgium. Seven**** year old Tina, killed by police in Nigeria. Thir**** year old Yasin, killed by police in Kenya. Thirty four year old Winston, killed by police in the Philippines. We stand in solidarity and love with you in demanding justice and change.


In love and solidarity always,


UKBLM


Stay Posted via @UKBLM.


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It's with a heavy heart, I have to say I won't be contributing. I'm saving all the spare cash I have to watch a ***ist take a racists head off . Hopefully in the pub.

[Riverleeno]

So unless you agree with every stated objective of a political campaign you have to dismiss them?
That’s an interesting viewpoint.

You can dismiss or not for any reason if you like. The problem is that as they have the ability to brand someone as racist then the "objectionable" aims have as much force as any laudable ones.

[Riverleeno]

You can dismiss or not for any reason if you like. The problem is that as they have the ability to brand someone as racist then the "objectionable" aims have as much force as any laudable ones.

*"Questionable"

[Riverleeno]

It's with a heavy heart, I have to say I won't be contributing. I'm saving all the spare cash I have to watch a ***ist take a racists head off . Hopefully in the pub.

Good call