Ok Shedka, I'll 'bite' and engage directly with you. One question. The first derby of the season in August it was announced that United sold out, indeed many on here, you especially, were trumpeting that fact. We had less seats allocated than at times in the past and certainly sold out the allocation we got, another fact. If you add on all non attending STs and comps, as I agree we do also, you should get have had a full house. Sundays attendance at the Celtic game was supposedly another full house based on the add on non attendees criteria. Going to your official site the official crowd for the Derby was 12616 and the official crowd for Sunday was 13662. Can you explain the difference? If all tickets are shifted and all non attendees are added in then a full house should be a regular figure but it isn't. Your 'official' 'full house' crowds are all over the place! I ask a respectful question so please don't dismiss the question as frivolous. As far as Dens attendances are concerned I reckon we add on non attendees as do all Premier Clubs (I think) but the only crowd debates on our sites are on the basis that we understate the crowds (again I don't actually agree with that reckoning our crowd figures issued are about right). Despite what you think and despite my interaction with you there are not many posters on our sites obsessed with crowd figures as you appear to be. I can't think of any on our side who don't believe you have a larger attending support than we have at home and at most away games. So there is no comparison arguments, it's not something that bothers me in any case and I don't think it bothers many 'over here'. It's just that the look of your crowds and some if the anomalies in the reporting of your crowd numbers that 'interest' us and seem out of kilter. Look forward to your explanation of the Derby and Celtic crowd anomaly. Cheers!