O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[swaledale]

I think the issue is one of perspective rA. The antics of one arsehole PM and his hypocrisy is one tiny little drop in the ocean of the whole question of handling COVID. It seems therefore desperate to keep harping on about what, ultimately, is an irrelevance in the bigger picture.

Mistakes have no doubt been made, and successes have been notched up in the "battle against the unknown enemy", but those successes and failures do dwarf the cheese and wine party into insignificance.

And there you have it! A familiar theme when the Johnson supporters, Tory voters and Leave voters haven't got an answer to the proof staring them in the face that Johnson was never a fit person to be the UK's leader, that Brexit could never deliver what was promised and that the Tory party are now essentially a party that no longer even cares about middle income people. but is beholden completely to the rich elites and their interests!

Even if what you say was true, that a few parties held that were a clear contravention of the laws put in place by the people who attended these parties is insignificant, to then gloss over the following issues, suggests wilful blindness on yours and AF's part. But then thats par for the course, spout a lot of nonsense and ignore the proof that what you have said is nonsense.

The moral compass and sentience of anyone who in any way seeks to support Johnson is very suspect. or maybe they are just very dim?

Johnson not attending 5 consecutive COBRA meetings on Covid, when it was gaining a hold in Italy and Europe
Johnson going round hospitals shaking hands and brushing off Covid's likely impact in the fortnight before locking the country down
Johnson failing to act quickly enough on lockdowns on numerous occasions because he hoped he wouldn't have to despite the evidence from elsewhere.
The failure of the government to provide effective ventilation in schools over 2 years after the start of the pandemic
The illegal and corrupt way contracts for PP were dished out to relatives and fellow Tory party members and friends.
Employing Dido Harding!
The failure of test and trace and the £37 billion wasted.
Not sacking Cummings after his lockdown breaking trip and lies.
The innumerable times Johnson has lied in parliament, to the media, to the public.

I could go on - but there is a whole series of cock ups and poor decision making that has both cost lives and ****ed the economy. The sign of a good leader is when he is managing a situation which he has no experience of.

The sign of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome time after time, millions of UK voters will show how stupid they are by voting Tory in the next election.

[MadAmster]

Starmer. Was at the office a couple of days before an election (he said on Sunday Morning, this morning on the BBC). They'd been working all day, a take away arrived, they ate it and went back to work. Glass of wine with dinner isn't a party, is it?

[ramAnag]

Starmer. Was at the office a couple of days before an election (he said on Sunday Morning, this morning on the BBC). They'd been working all day, a take away arrived, they ate it and went back to work. Glass of wine with dinner isn't a party, is it?

Spot on, MA...apart from it being a small bottle of beer (San Miguel I think) not a glass of wine.
Nothing would have been said had it been a coffee or a sandwich in his hand. Just the Telegraph, the Mail and the Express making a pathetic attempt to tar Starmer with the same brush as Johnson.

Either way...there is simply no comparison between drinking a small beer during a constituency meeting and what has been going on at Downing Street, so please give it a rest TTR.

[MadAmster]

please give it a rest TTR.

Aint gonna happen, is it?

You borrow a penny, I steal a million. Same dog washed innit? We both have someone else's money, don't we? That is the logic being used by people trying to compare the situations.

[Ramshank72]

Red: Many of those vulnerable people are ***** to our society. I'm surprised that, seeing as we've experienced how much of an impact a driver shortage has caused this year, you can not see how important it is to protect people. Have a guess how many will have died directly due to covid, or due to overflowing hospitals, if precautions had not been taken.
Our society is built on survival of the fittest, but fit means hardworking skilled and intelligent people, not some unskilled lazy idiot with no underlying health issues.

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[ramAnag]

Red: Many of those vulnerable people are ***** to our society. I'm surprised that, seeing as we've experienced how much of an impact a driver shortage has caused this year, you can not see how important it is to protect people. Have a guess how many will have died directly due to covid, or due to overflowing hospitals, if precautions had not been taken.
Our society is built on survival of the fittest, but fit means hardworking skilled and intelligent people, not some unskilled lazy idiot with no underlying health issues.

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‘Our society is built on survival of the fittest’. You sure about that Ramshank? You’ll be saying ‘there’s no such thing as society’ next.
Surely the policy of vaccination during the whole of the pandemic has been the exact opposite of that with the emphasis on the elderly and the most vulnerable being vaccinated first.

Beyond that I have to question what is happening at the moment. Our PM has been identified as the disingenuous liar he, imo, has always been.
In a quest for his survival we would now seem to be engaging in a number of populist policies, where Covid is concerned, such as the abandonment of compulsory masks in schools, shops, public transport and the doing away with QR codes as a means of gaining access to certain venues.
Personally I think such actions are very premature. Just a month ago people were very worried about Christmas/New Year being cancelled...a month on and it suddenly seems it’s alright to relax all the rules.
In my humble opinion viruses and pandemics don’t behave like that and I shall continue to wear a mask in crowded indoor places for a while yet regardless, or perhaps because, of what the message from party central (Downing St) may be.

[Trickytreesreds]

So the question is.
Is this the biggest world wide con job ever?

How can figures like this, no more worse than a flu sweep, cause so much chaos?

Some one has been fuelling this beyond belief. Those figures, without a vaccine are surreal. So all the death screams here, we have the worst death rates in EUrope were actually total bollox.

Yet the media, still isn't running this and is questioning the lock down / rules lifting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swoHsdrIQ7Q

[MadAmster]

TTR, you say "17000 without underlying conditions". That seems to indicate that almost 140,000 died who also had other conditions. How many of those would not have died these past 2 years if not for Covid? I suggest the vast majority. Don't they count?

As someone on meds for high BP, high cholesterol and other conditions plus two stents in my left ventrical..... I'm fit despite all of that. Still get out on the racing bike (not in inclement weather I hasten to add) for rides of between 20Km and 80Km 3 or 4 times a week. When local football is on I also ref 2 or 3 times a month. I'm lucky not to be be one of the 140K you seem to dismiss.

[swaledale]

TTR, you say "17000 without underlying conditions". That seems to indicate that almost 140,000 died who also had other conditions. How many of those would not have died these past 2 years if not for Covid? I suggest the vast majority. Don't they count?

As someone on meds for high BP, high cholesterol and other conditions plus two stents in my left ventrical..... I'm fit despite all of that. Still get out on the racing bike (not in inclement weather I hasten to add) for rides of between 20Km and 80Km 3 or 4 times a week. When local football is on I also ref 2 or 3 times a month. I'm lucky not to be be one of the 140K you seem to dismiss.

of course they don't count in his twisted view of the world, lets face it if it hasn't happened to him he doesn't care.

He is a nasty xenophobic, bigoted ****!

I'm just surprised that we have had to put up with his bollox on this Forum for so long, should have been banned a long time ago and be left to trot out the ****e he gleans from dubious internet sites on the red dogs forum, but hey guess our Mod needs all the support he can get even from complete thickos like this guy!

[Andy_Faber]

I'm just surprised that we have had to put up with his bollox on this Forum for so long, should have been banned a long time ago and be left to trot out the ****e he gleans from dubious internet sites on the red dogs forum, but hey guess our Mod needs all the support he can get even from complete thickos like this guy!

Rather a desperate comment to make about someone who's been so conspicuous by his absence from this thread recently. I take it as a compliment that I've got so far under your skin without trying