O/T Disgrace Cummings

[John2]

You were suggesting that the reporters were performing an important job, which on examination appears to be allowing you to watch a media scrum and convince yourself that something that you wanted to believe was true. That is a pretty powerful card in the Top Trump crap post deck.

I'm surprised by the level of straw manning.

I have pointed out that having journalists ask difficult questions of political figures is an important job. I think we would both agree on that.

I have said that I personally found the footage of journalists asking Cummings if he had been to Bernard Castle helpful important in informing my opinion that this probably did happen and wasn't just a malicious accusation. This did turn out to be true - it did happen. At that point we had no way of knowing he would admit to it. I will acknowledge that my coming to the conclusion that this was important was subjective, if you disagree that's fine, but I value a media asking difficult questions of political figures.

Here's the straw man though, I have at no stage said I believe the collective behaviour of those was appropriate or defended the behaviour. In fact I said "I think they should do a better job of social distancing themselves". I believe they could have achieved the same result from a 2m distance.

Surely the important argument here is that everyone is equal under the law and Covic guidance? You seem to have decided that you will tolerate lower standards from the media than from people who are on the current hate list for Labour Party members.

No. That's another misrepresentation of my position, a common trend recently. Maybe I'm not articulating clearly. I'm not condoning the behaviour of anyone breaking social distancing for any reason - can you show me where I have done this? I'm saying that when the people who create the rules do not follow them it is different because it undermines the entire government message with potentially lethal consequences which make such an act 'worse' than if anyone else does it. Do you think this position is unreasonable?

[Scum-Triumphant]

I’ve woke up this morning and my eyesight is bad. I’m going to check how bad by taking a young family out for a drive.

Seems reasonable.

[John2]

Oh come on, I'm not really defending the media distancing, I said it's wrong, I'm saying we shouldn't hold the press to the same standard of account as those who make our laws and then violate them, surely that's not controversial?

Its weird you challenged me on my 'double standard' re: Cummings incident vs mosque, because we already had this exact same debate here where I already outlined that I do not advocate any breaking of social distancing, but I've been remarkably consistent my main gripe that with Cummings it wasn't the risk he created in the act itself, but rather its undermining the government's messaging and making it harder to enforce which will ultimately lead to far more harm.

The exact same argument. Right here. So I'm at a loss to why you made a straw man argument misrepresenting my position again today as some sort of double standard when we already covered why I don't see it that way.

[flourbasher]

Of course as well as Dom being exempt there,s Kyle Walker

[animallittle3]

Have you spoken to anyone else about this?

Everyone I've spoken to said the media were making a mountain out of a molehill.

IMO the media is out of touch with the public again like they were with Brexit.

Quite a number of people on my partners side , relatives and friends voted for Johnson last December and are outraged .

Lads who I work with who voted for Johnson and other than one of them are also outraged .

I would imagine there's plenty of relatives and friends of people of the 36k equally unimpressed to say the least .

Stories that dominate the media coverage for 3 days tend not to be molehills .

But as Johnson told you tonight , you make your own mind up .

[animallittle3]

Have you spoken to anyone else about this?

Everyone I've spoken to said the media were making a mountain out of a molehill.

IMO the media is out of touch with the public again like they were with Brexit.

This is pretty powerful stuff and gets to the heart of why people are outraged .

I think you will find that Johnson and his sidekick are the ones out of touch .

https://mobile.twitter.com/tug/statu...15080132182016

[great_fire]

This is pretty powerful stuff and gets to the heart of why people are outraged .

I think you will find that Johnson and his sidekick are the ones out of touch .

https://mobile.twitter.com/tug/statu...15080132182016

Twitter is very much a bubble, with a strong bias to the young, urban left.

If only people on Twitter were allowed to vote Corbyn would have won in a landslide.

[animallittle3]

Twitter is very much a bubble, with a strong bias to the young, urban left.

If only people on Twitter were allowed to vote Corbyn would have won in a landslide.

Well there's over half a million signatures on a petition asking for Cummings to be sacked , it was going at a rate of 1000 every five minutes this evening according to what I've read tonight .

I take the point petitions are about as useful as tyts on a fish but I was merely pointing out the depth of feeling to this thing .

I'm only responding to you Fire , you've clearly made your own mind up on the matter .

[great_fire]

I think most people have been breaking the rules and visiting relatives and talking to them in the garden or over the fence so they're not going to be hypocritical about it.

The people who weren't allowed to visit their children or parents on their deathbeds will be angry but that should never have happened and will no doubt be covered in the inevitable Coronavirus enquiry.

[pip_y]

I’m amazed with the so called “social distancing” being adopted by the paparazzi. Even if Cummings was wrong they wouldnt move back to let him get in the car! Shades of Princess Diana and Paris.