O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

"By citing the example of my local Saturday morning supermarket and the pre match Pride Park shop I am just attempting to restore balance. These were almost universally white environments where the attitude appeared equally irresponsible/complacent."

But that's the point, you are introducing no balance since your observation on compliance in the supermarket by the predominantly white cohort says exactly the same thing as my analysis of the train population - ie around 60% compliance by that group. If anything you should be thanked for adding further support to my observation of that cohort's behaviour!

I went on a bus a while ago, when mask wearing was more observed, and sat opposite a 20 something girl who wore no mask throughout her journey and who, when she got up to exit the bus, took out a mask and put it on as she stepped into the outside world. Explain that one if you can.

As regards the first point. That is what I’ve been trying to make you understand. You tried to draw a conclusion about BAME behaviour based on what you observed. I’ve observed the same, or in the case of the Pride Park shop...worse, behaviour from a largely white group of people. Thus there would seem to be no ethnic based conclusion to be reached...other than that complacency/stupidity transcends ethnicity. Quelle surprise!

As regards the second...she was exceedingly dim.

[Geoff Parkstone]

As regards the first point. That is what I’ve been trying to make you understand. You tried to draw a conclusion about BAME behaviour based on what you observed. I’ve observed the same, or in the case of the Pride Park shop...worse, behaviour from a largely white group of people. Thus there would seem to be no ethnic based conclusion to be reached...other than that complacency/stupidity transcends ethnicity. Quelle surprise!

As regards the second...she was exceedingly dim.

I reiterate your quote "the same or.... worse". Past posts of yours have suggested around 50% and 10% compliance.

OK can i ask you one simple question please? How can a number greater than nil be the same or worse then nil? Outside the Hilfer Space concept of eigenvalues I can think of no mathematical circumstances when this can be true: and I think we can all agree that we are not talking quantum mechanics here.

What we are seemingly both saying is that in general compliance is not great across the country. I had observed a trend, quite possibly a stochastic variable, during my journey which you seek to discredit by pointing to another trend. That is akin to me saying "Barnsley aren't doing too well" and you seeking to discredit that observation by pointing out that Hull have struggled this season. Its more than possible that both assertions can co-exist in the same time-space continuum

[ramAnag]

I reiterate your quote "the same or.... worse". Past posts of yours have suggested around 50% and 10% compliance.

OK can i ask you one simple question please? How can a number greater than nil be the same or worse then nil? Outside the Hilfer Space concept of eigenvalues I can think of no mathematical circumstances when this can be true: and I think we can all agree that we are not talking quantum mechanics here.

What we are seemingly both saying is that in general compliance is not great across the country. I had observed a trend, quite possibly a stochastic variable, during my journey which you seek to discredit by pointing to another trend. That is akin to me saying "Barnsley aren't doing too well" and you seeking to discredit that observation by pointing out that Hull have struggled this season. Its more than possible that both assertions can co-exist in the same time-space continuum

See #2616. Already explained and yes...I accept I didn’t go back to check what you actually wrote two or three days ago. Sorry.
I didn’t seek to ‘discredit’ anything. I merely don’t think vague anecdotes are worth holding up as evidence no matter how much and for whatever reason you may want them to be. The same is true of mine which was my point.
I’m also astonished you have the time to spend quantifying people according to their colour. I know you’re fonder of counting than most but there is a limit.

[swaledale]

I reiterate your quote "the same or.... worse". Past posts of yours have suggested around 50% and 10% compliance.

OK can i ask you one simple question please? How can a number greater than nil be the same or worse then nil? Outside the Hilfer Space concept of eigenvalues I can think of no mathematical circumstances when this can be true: and I think we can all agree that we are not talking quantum mechanics here.

What we are seemingly both saying is that in general compliance is not great across the country. I had observed a trend, quite possibly a stochastic variable, during my journey which you seek to discredit by pointing to another trend. That is akin to me saying "Barnsley aren't doing too well" and you seeking to discredit that observation by pointing out that Hull have struggled this season. Its more than possible that both assertions can co-exist in the same time-space continuum

You clearly have a lot of time on your hands!!

[Andy_Faber]

As regards the first point. That is what I’ve been trying to make you understand. You tried to draw a conclusion about BAME behaviour based on what you observed. I’ve observed the same, or in the case of the Pride Park shop...worse, behaviour from a largely white group of people. Thus there would seem to be no ethnic based conclusion to be reached...other than that complacency/stupidity transcends ethnicity. Quelle surprise!

As regards the second...she was exceedingly dim.

Sorry rA but that reinforces my belief that you just don't 'get it'. GP and I have both, in what I consider a clear manner, been trying to explain the weakness in your line of reasoning, and I can't think of any other ways of making it clear. And I don't even mean the BAME thing, I mean the basic concept

[Trickytreesreds]

I told you before, on my Thai jaunt. I saw another angle, where middle easterners were the non wearing culprits.
So it depends where you are.
I'm off to Germany soon. That one could be interesting.

[ramAnag]

I told you before, on my Thai jaunt. I saw another angle, where middle easterners were the non wearing culprits.
So it depends where you are.
I'm off to Germany soon. That one could be interesting.

My experience of Germany was that they are far more ‘on the ball’ than the Brits in terms of mask compliance and they advocate a certain type of mask which offers a specific level of protection. I don’t think it is compulsory but it is expected.
That was five months ago so things may have changed but in this country we’d probably be moaning about infringements of civil liberties whereas, again only imo, being vaccinated and wearing masks in indoor environments are actually designed to protect civil liberties.

[Geoff Parkstone]

My experience of Germany was that they are far more ‘on the ball’ than the Brits in terms of mask compliance and they advocate a certain type of mask which offers a specific level of protection. I don’t think it is compulsory but it is expected.
That was five months ago so things may have changed but in this country we’d probably be moaning about infringements of civil liberties whereas, again only imo, being vaccinated and wearing masks in indoor environments are actually designed to protect civil liberties.

100% agree with that. As a nation Germans seem more "obedient" and we as a nation seem to willfully do things to our own detriment (cue Brexit comment) but I suppose the German attitude also explains the rise of fascism there in the 30's. How's that for wrapping up multiple stereotypes in 2 short sentences. All anecdotal of course.... but then again so was your post above and so presumably it has no validity either?

[ramAnag]

100% agree with that. As a nation Germans seem more "obedient" and we as a nation seem to willfully do things to our own detriment (cue Brexit comment) but I suppose the German attitude also explains the rise of fascism there in the 30's. How's that for wrapping up multiple stereotypes in 2 short sentences. All anecdotal of course.... but then again so was your post above and so presumably it has no validity either?

Hence such expressions as, ‘My experience’, ‘I don’t think...’ and ‘again imo’.
I am not writing anything above that isn’t anecdotal. It isn’t pretending to be. I’m just a tad bewildered that you can open up with ‘100% agree with that’ before wandering off to the ‘rise of fascism’ and continue looking for a ‘fight’. Sorry...not ‘playing’, GP.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Hence such expressions as, ‘My experience’, ‘I don’t think...’ and ‘again imo’.
I am not writing anything above that isn’t anecdotal. It isn’t pretending to be. I’m just a tad bewildered that you can open up with ‘100% agree with that’ before wandering off to the ‘rise of fascism’ and continue looking for a ‘fight’. Sorry...not ‘playing’, GP.

Aye, but you're bewildered by most things that aren't 100% in your wheelhouse!