O/T Democracy

[flourbasher]

How about voting for an Independent candidate then.
They aren't shackled by local or central party directives and are, in a lot of instances, local people who understand local issues

[animallittle3]

How about voting for an Independent candidate then.
They aren't shackled by local or central party directives and are, in a lot of instances, local people who understand local issues

Waste of time flour in my opinion , we have local councillors to deal with local issues .

To have Parliament full of independent MP's is a flawed concept , nobody will agree on anything and you'd have the brexit scenario played out on every aspect of our lives today .

Like it or lump it someone has to govern with a majority government or nothing would ever get done .

This whole brexit debacle when you look at history and who the two major parties interests are generally supposed to represent should see the tories campaigning robustly to remain within the EU and Labour solidly behind the leave vote so I was pretty fecked from the moment the referendum was announced .

[BigLadonOS]

I dont know if anyone watched Question Time on the BBC on Thursday but what we heard from Emily Thornberry was utter tripe and totally unworkable and this is supposed to be the Labour stance on the EU.

She said that the Labour policy was to go to the EU and try to get the best deal that they could get (Dont forget that she would be part of any negotiations made) and then put it to a new referendum but then she would vote against that deal because they want to stay in the EU.

How the **** would that work???????????? Labour are now the most two faced ****s who have ever represented the Labour Party.

[ragingpup]

I dont know if anyone watched Question Time on the BBC on Thursday but what we heard from Emily Thornberry was utter tripe and totally unworkable and this is supposed to be the Labour stance on the EU.

She said that the Labour policy was to go to the EU and try to get the best deal that they could get (Dont forget that she would be part of any negotiations made) and then put it to a new referendum but then she would vote against that deal because they want to stay in the EU.

How the **** would that work???????????? Labour are now the most two faced ****s who have ever represented the Labour Party.

I actually agree with you on this. I'm all for them negotiating a different deal that has a better chance of uniting parliament, and for agreeing to put that up against Remain in a referendum, so that the public can choose but I'm hoping that she's not suggesting that the party would whip against their own deal! She's a staunch remainer, and I'd allow Labour MPs to vote with their own judgement even if against the whip (unlike Boris - love from Amber x) so she might be talking of her own stance here. But if Labour campaign against their own deal, that would be ridiculous. Everything is gone mad at the moment. I'm going Green

[BigLadonOS]

I actually agree with you on this. I'm all for them negotiating a different deal that has a better chance of uniting parliament, and for agreeing to put that up against Remain in a referendum, so that the public can choose but I'm hoping that she's not suggesting that the party would whip against their own deal! She's a staunch remainer, and I'd allow Labour MPs to vote with their own judgement even if against the whip (unlike Boris - love from Amber x) so she might be talking of her own stance here. But if Labour campaign against their own deal, that would be ridiculous. Everything is gone mad at the moment. I'm going Green

The point I am making regardless of if she would vote against it is irrelevant but how could we trust her to walk in to Europe and try to make a good deal for us when she is like May in that no deal would be good enough for her to vote for? What could possibly motivate her to fight for a good deal?

[flourbasher]

Waste of time flour in my opinion , we have local councillors to deal with local issues .

In the long term I'd agree but you could use your next vote to fire some shots across the bows of the mainstream political parties to say large parts of the public won't put up with their selfish antics anymore.
Change their ways or find another job so I don't think it's a waste.

[animallittle3]

I dont know if anyone watched Question Time on the BBC on Thursday but what we heard from Emily Thornberry was utter tripe and totally unworkable and this is supposed to be the Labour stance on the EU.

She said that the Labour policy was to go to the EU and try to get the best deal that they could get (Dont forget that she would be part of any negotiations made) and then put it to a new referendum but then she would vote against that deal because they want to stay in the EU.

How the **** would that work???????????? Labour are now the most two faced ****s who have ever represented the Labour Party.

We were away in Torquay this week on holiday but I watched it in our room with a few bottles , glad I had them chilled and at hand .

I couldn't believe what I was watching with regard to Thornberry , crinchworthy and a total embarrassment , Thornberry should join the Lib Dems if she feels like that about remaining in the EU alongside many more from the Labour Party .

To be honest I'd expect to be shafted by the tories because that's pretty much my experience of them during my working life , South Yorkshire and Blair weren't so much shafted but they were thrown better benefits instead which didn't and never would make up for real investment in jobs and futures .

I ain't a clue what Corbyn stands for post referendum I really don't , everything just contradicts whatever he's supposed to represent .

I've given the bloke a very good bat of the ball but today to me he's sold out and from a man of left persuasion that's unforgivable and I don't do getting sold out by my supposed own .

The Labour Party can get annihilated at the GE for all I care .

[MillerBill]

We were away in Torquay this week on holiday but I watched it in our room with a few bottles , glad I had them chilled and at hand .

I couldn't believe what I was watching with regard to Thornberry , crinchworthy and a total embarrassment , Thornberry should join the Lib Dems if she feels like that about remaining in the EU alongside many more from the Labour Party .

To be honest I'd expect to be shafted by the tories because that's pretty much my experience of them during my working life , South Yorkshire and Blair weren't so much shafted but they were thrown better benefits instead which didn't and never would make up for real investment in jobs and futures .

I ain't a clue what Corbyn stands for post referendum I really don't , everything just contradicts whatever he's supposed to represent .

I've given the bloke a very good bat of the ball but today to me he's sold out and from a man of left persuasion that's unforgivable and I don't do getting sold out by my supposed own .

The Labour Party can get annihilated at the GE for all I care .

This Thornberry woman sums up the labour party now.A very wealthy remoaning MP living in lovey dovey land and together with her obstructing plotters have killed off any chance labour had of being electable.Corbyn has lied to us so many times since he bcame leader.Encouraging students to vote labour last election on the promise, student fees would be abolished.After the result he had to apologise that, that could not be done.He also said in the last election he would honour article 50 and take us out of the single market and custom union.A full U turn and he is on the other side of the fence.85% the election votes were for the two parties promising to take us out of jail.Where is the democracy?But the biggest lie is the one about wanting an election which he has been begging for,if he is confident he can win, don't be scared let the people decide where we want to be.

[BigLadonOS]

This Thornberry woman sums up the labour party now.A very wealthy remoaning MP living in lovey dovey land and together with her obstructing plotters have killed off any chance labour had of being electable.Corbyn has lied to us so many times since he bcame leader.Encouraging students to vote labour last election on the promise, student fees would be abolished.After the result he had to apologise that, that could not be done.He also said in the last election he would honour article 50 and take us out of the single market and custom union.A full U turn and he is on the other side of the fence.85% the election votes were for the two parties promising to take us out of jail.Where is the democracy?But the biggest lie is the one about wanting an election which he has been begging for,if he is confident he can win, don't be scared let the people decide where we want to be.

A GE on or before the 19th of September will not happen because he knows they would lose and hanging on as leader of the Labour party means more to him than DEMOCRACY does.

[ragingpup]

A GE on or before the 19th of September will not happen because he knows they would lose and hanging on as leader of the Labour party means more to him than DEMOCRACY does.

That may happen, so if you were the opposition leader, wouldn't you wait until Johnson tries to get a deal (no intention so not going to happen) and then go beyond the extension. At that point the Brexit Party will again grow and split to tory vote which would work in the opposition favour. Why on Earth would any opposition leader not wait until then before agreeing an extension?

This whole situation is happening because the Conservatives failed to secure a cross party consensus on the Brexit deal at the outset. In a minority government, that relies on majority approval for the outcome to pass, why wouldn't you work with the EU and other parties to agree a deal that will actually, in the end, pass?