Maurice Ross Sacked

[BigFatPie]

There's more to it than what was going down between Ross and Enzio.

The other players involved could have said to Ross, "Look, what you said made us feel uncomfortable, you can't say things like that mate, it puts us in an awkward position" and hoped he'd get the message, give him a 2nd chance and not upset Enzio with it.

That they did decide to tell Enzio, whilst almost certainly knowing that there was a high probability that it would finish Ross's career at Notts, suggests that Ross was not at all a popular man in the dressing room, or at least strongly disliked by enough of them to the point that it was impacting on their performances and our results.

Yesterday's display would seem to back that theory up. They played like they had a point to prove.

It'll take more than one match though to prove that they were right about his ability to coach and that Ross was wrong to question their desire to challenge for play-off glory.

Seems like a reasonable scenario. The players celebrating with Enzio certainly tell a story.

At best, the comment was monumentally crass. If yesterday’s performance was what happens when we have Doyle instead of Ross as AM then it might turn out to be the best monumentally crass statement ever made.

[ForeignLegion]

Makes you wonder what position some of the 70's managers would have been in.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Judging by what was actually said, Ross has done more than could have been expected by resigning. He should have given a big fat apology and let it die death and we all move on.
A racist comment never in a million years a poor joke yes.
Personally I think we have got rid of the wrong person as it seems that Ross actually cares about the club and how we are performing, where as the other might just be accused of happy of picking up his wages.
Criticising players because they aren't doing there job or having a poor game is fair enough by me and by most fans I would believe.
Imagine what would have been said if he had been dropped from the squad altogether for the Tuesday game.
The way Enzio has gone about this whole episode shows poor character, If he was offended then he should have had a man to man chat and maybe they could have uncovered why he was perhaps having a poor game with lack of movement and mobility.
Maybe he could have learned something from the criticism (even if it was a poor analogy) and worked on it in training.
The sooner his contract is up and he leaves the better , maybe his attitude and fragile character is why he is only half the player he could and should be.
PS what are they going to do in training or match day when Doyle swears at one of them and gives them some home truths ?

[queenslandpie]

Judging by what was actually said, Ross has done more than could have been expected by resigning. He should have given a big fat apology and let it die death and we all move on.
A racist comment never in a million years a poor joke yes.
Personally I think we have got rid of the wrong person as it seems that Ross actually cares about the club and how we are performing, where as the other might just be accused of happy of picking up his wages.
Criticising players because they aren't doing there job or having a poor game is fair enough by me and by most fans I would believe.
Imagine what would have been said if he had been dropped from the squad altogether for the Tuesday game.
The way Enzio has gone about this whole episode shows poor character, If he was offended then he should have had a man to man chat and maybe they could have uncovered why he was perhaps having a poor game with lack of movement and mobility.
Maybe he could have learned something from the criticism (even if it was a poor analogy) and worked on it in training.
The sooner his contract is up and he leaves the better , maybe his attitude and fragile character is why he is only half the player he could and should be.
PS what are they going to do in training or match day when Doyle swears at one of them and gives them some home truths ?

If referring to a black player having a doctored African passport as his movement was judged to be poor so he should definitely be older than what he claims isn't a racist comment then I don't know what is.

[Notts78]

Judging by what was actually said, Ross has done more than could have been expected by resigning. He should have given a big fat apology and let it die death and we all move on.
A racist comment never in a million years a poor joke yes.
Personally I think we have got rid of the wrong person as it seems that Ross actually cares about the club and how we are performing, where as the other might just be accused of happy of picking up his wages.
Criticising players because they aren't doing there job or having a poor game is fair enough by me and by most fans I would believe.
Imagine what would have been said if he had been dropped from the squad altogether for the Tuesday game.
The way Enzio has gone about this whole episode shows poor character, If he was offended then he should have had a man to man chat and maybe they could have uncovered why he was perhaps having a poor game with lack of movement and mobility.
Maybe he could have learned something from the criticism (even if it was a poor analogy) and worked on it in training.
The sooner his contract is up and he leaves the better , maybe his attitude and fragile character is why he is only half the player he could and should be.
PS what are they going to do in training or match day when Doyle swears at one of them and gives them some home truths ?

So this is all Enzio’s fault? Right. The fact several players went to Turner and not just one to raise their concerns with him is irrelevant to you. You have based your opinion on his form as a footballer rather than the fact he WAS subjected to derogatory comment.
If Doyle or any player, coach or manager is giving ‘home truths’ their is clearly a line not to be crossed.
If I called you a pr1ck it would clearly be offensive. However you are just a pr1ck. If I called you <any colour, nationality, ***uality etc> Pr1ck, then it’s more prejudice.
In this case their is an argument for and against what the outcome for MR was. Maybe he did resign as he felt that he couldn’t repair multiple bridges in a short space and crucial time of our season. The assumption was he pushed.

[Freeman25]

The way Enzio has gone about this whole episode shows poor character

Words fail me.

I remember there being absolute outrage on here at the suggestion some Notts fans were sometimes not very politically correct and a bit racist, this thread is all you need to scan through for evidence.

Firstly, Maurice Ross chose to resign according to himself, so any outrage directed at the club for "over reacting" is pretty much null and void.

Secondly, I've not seen ulaggypie on here for a while but I'm glad he's posted some sense in this thread.

The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop. If it had been a white player that Maurice had questions over their mobility he wouldn't have used a stereotype that's used for african players because it would have made no sense, for example, the comment would never have been made about fellow dutch winger Julian Jenner no matter what you thought of him as a footballer.

Using a racist stereotype doesn't seem as bad as using someone's race and a profanity, or using a racist term to me, but it's not really my place to judge the severity and a bit of a pointless discussion, racism is racism no matter the level and the longer people hang on to "ah well he didn't mean it in a bad way" or "oh it wasn't that bad" kind of talk the longer it remains.

If you throw a stone at a window and it breaks you can't defend the person that threw it by saying "at least they didn't throw a brick", the window is still broken

[SwalePie]

Words fail me.

I remember there being absolute outrage on here at the suggestion some Notts fans were sometimes not very politically correct and a bit racist, this thread is all you need to scan through for evidence.

Firstly, Maurice Ross chose to resign according to himself, so any outrage directed at the club for "over reacting" is pretty much null and void.

Secondly, I've not seen ulaggypie on here for a while but I'm glad he's posted some sense in this thread.

The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop. If it had been a white player that Maurice had questions over their mobility he wouldn't have used a stereotype that's used for african players because it would have made no sense, for example, the comment would never have been made about fellow dutch winger Julian Jenner no matter what you thought of him as a footballer.

Using a racist stereotype doesn't seem as bad as using someone's race and a profanity, or using a racist term to me, but it's not really my place to judge the severity and a bit of a pointless discussion, racism is racism no matter the level and the longer people hang on to "ah well he didn't mean it in a bad way" or "oh it wasn't that bad" kind of talk the longer it remains.

If you throw a stone at a window and it breaks you can't defend the person that threw it by saying "at least they didn't throw a brick", the window is still broken

Well put.

[TSANHO]

‘ The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop’

It’s not full stop at all. There aren’t half some condescending posts on here.

The comment was born out of ignorance, not racism. Enzio is black (fact)....Enzio looks like the majority of Africans (fact, in the same way i look like the majority of Brits/Europeans )....There are many Africans with doctored passports with fake ages (fact). The only thing that isn’t a fact is that Enzio is not of course African. So, is it racist or offensive to suggest Enzio is African...no, not in my mind, just ignorant.

There’s a quite a big difference between ignorance and racism and although ignorant and stupid, it’s not racist. Ignorance can lead to racism of course, but I think in this instance Maurice Ross has been hard done by.

[ulaggypie]

‘ The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop’

It’s not full stop at all. There aren’t half some condescending posts on here.

The comment was born out of ignorance, not racism. Enzio is black (fact)....Enzio looks like the majority of Africans (fact, in the same way i look like the majority of Brits/Europeans )....There are many Africans with doctored passports with fake ages (fact). The only thing that isn’t a fact is that Enzio is not of course African. So, is it racist or offensive to suggest Enzio is African...no, not in my mind, just ignorant.

There’s a quite a big difference between ignorance and racism and although ignorant and stupid, it’s not racist. Ignorance can lead to racism of course, but I think in this instance Maurice Ross has been hard done by.

Wow. Just wow.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

‘ The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop’

It’s not full stop at all. There aren’t half some condescending posts on here.

The comment was born out of ignorance, not racism. Enzio is black (fact)....Enzio looks like the majority of Africans (fact, in the same way i look like the majority of Brits/Europeans )....There are many Africans with doctored passports with fake ages (fact). The only thing that isn’t a fact is that Enzio is not of course African. So, is it racist or offensive to suggest Enzio is African...no, not in my mind, just ignorant.

There’s a quite a big difference between ignorance and racism and although ignorant and stupid, it’s not racist. Ignorance can lead to racism of course, but I think in this instance Maurice Ross has been hard done by.

great post , I've know idea WTF uggypie is on about , wow just wow....