Match Thread vs. Woking 02.10.21 [NL]

[durhampie]

Ignoring all the understandable doom and gloom after getting thumped 4-1 at home it seems to me that our simple main objective following yesterday is to turn those first 70 minutes into 90+ minutes of performance.

On another point, for those that attended, how did Vincent look in his brief time on the pitch?

He is too small to have any influence in midfield.. We needed someone 6ft plus...

[jackal2]

Ignoring all the understandable doom and gloom after getting thumped 4-1 at home it seems to me that our simple main objective following yesterday is to turn those first 70 minutes into 90+ minutes of performance.

That's the objective, but I'm not sure players at this level are capable of playing that brand of football for 90 minutes game after game, which is the consistency we would need to win this league. If they were, then they would probably be playing at least three divisions higher already. Whatever style of play you adopt, it needs to be one that enables the players at your disposal to grind out results even on days when they aren't 'clicking' or playing particularly well, because that's going to happen a lot with lower league players. The reason Manchester City can play their brand of football so consistently well is because they have a squad full of top quality talent.

[SwalePie]

That's the objective, but I'm not sure players at this level are capable of playing that brand of football for 90 minutes game after game, which is the consistency we would need to win this league. If they were, then they would probably be playing at least three divisions higher already. Whatever style of play you adopt, it needs to be one that enables the players at your disposal to grind out results even on days when they aren't 'clicking' or playing particularly well, because that's going to happen a lot with lower league players. The reason Manchester City can play their brand of football so consistently well is because they have a squad full of top quality talent.

Yes. They have proved they can grind out results with a backs to the wall performance at Wrexham, they just need to be able to call on that spirit whenever it is required. Of course we also need our defence back to fitness too.

[laddo]

I couldn’t disagree more.
Doyle covered every blade of grass because he constantly plugged the gaps when players pushed forward. It wasn’t necessarily about him making the tackle, he just cut out the option of a counter attack by being in the right place. He wasn’t a match winner by any stretch, but what he brought to the team in terms of his reading of the game and awareness was seldom recognised and is now badly missed.
If we’re sticking with this squad and tactics, we need to be ruthless in front of goal. It’s only the lack of the oppositions ability that this isn’t the first time we’ve conceded 3+ goals, as we’ve certainly gifted enough chances.

I think driller and KTD although having very contrasting views on Doyle both make valid points and IMO there are truths in both.

What drillerpie continues to ignore when discussing this subject is Doyle t
was more impressive, more effective and more consistent than both Reeves and JOB last season and better than Rose et al the season before. He may not have been good but he was better than all around him in central midfield.

[St Kitts Magpie]

Having read through 15 pages last night and the rest this morning, there are so many I wanted to reply to as I agreed with them but it would have taken too long. Post match interview yesterday reminded me a lot of the last days of Ardley after IBs pre match comments about knowing exactly the sort of side they were ( just hard working and long ball ) yet being unable to stop it from happening. Also having been to 3 home games this season and watched a fair few of the games under IB last season this was the 1st time in a long time since I thought he was watching a different game to me. How he thought Rodders wasn't lucky to get sent off I don't know and no mention of their ghost goal just before half time either. IB seems to have a ' if plan A isn't working let's do plan A better ' philosophy which is all very modern but as others have said if we keep playing the same way we are going nowhere fast.This total football 10 yards outside our own box is not fooling any opposition into chasing around and supposedly tiring themselves out. They just wait and do what Woking did. Tuesday night will teach us alot.

[Iremongersrighthand]

Having read through 15 pages last night and the rest this morning, there are so many I wanted to reply to as I agreed with them but it would have taken too long. Post match interview yesterday reminded me a lot of the last days of Ardley after IBs pre match comments about knowing exactly the sort of side they were ( just hard working and long ball ) yet being unable to stop it from happening. Also having been to 3 home games this season and watched a fair few of the games under IB last season this was the 1st time in a long time since I thought he was watching a different game to me. How he thought Rodders wasn't lucky to get sent off I don't know and no mention of their ghost goal just before half time either. IB seems to have a ' if plan A isn't working let's do plan A better ' philosophy which is all very modern but as others have said if we keep playing the same way we are going nowhere fast.This total football 10 yards outside our own box is not fooling any opposition into chasing around and supposedly tiring themselves out. They just wait and do what Woking did. Tuesday night will teach us alot.

All good points here. Plan A certainly needs a rethink or it's going to be another frustrating season

[drillerpie]

I couldn’t disagree more.
Doyle covered every blade of grass because he constantly plugged the gaps when players pushed forward. It wasn’t necessarily about him making the tackle, he just cut out the option of a counter attack by being in the right place. He wasn’t a match winner by any stretch, but what he brought to the team in terms of his reading of the game and awareness was seldom recognised and is now badly missed.

By my reckoning we conceded 23 goals in 18 games under IB last season, and have conceded 12 from 9 this season. Not a huge difference. Hard to make a case for us missing Doyle defensively on that basis, although maybe the xg would tell a different story?

Completely agree about being ruthless in front of goal - we waste a lot of chances.

[laddo]

Probably, that's how football works as we saw yesterday. Glad he's got himself a club after his recent troubles/bad life choices.

[Woodypie]

Just listened to the coach's post-match interview. It seems much of the thrashing was down to the referee. And us not being able to recognise how inferior "teams like that" play and deal with it. We had a very good 70 minutes though. It's sort of Ardleyesque, isn't it?

[keldsyke]

Just listened to the coach's post-match interview. It seems much of the thrashing was down to the referee. And us not being able to recognise how inferior "teams like that" play and deal with it. We had a very good 70 minutes though. It's sort of Ardleyesque, isn't it?

Yeah IB is right about the ref he missed their blatant equaliser, should have been 5-1 🙄, tbh I don’t listen to his interviews as they are uninspiring at best!