O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[matt_magpie]

Pretty sure I made a prediction pre-season that this season would be cancelled. At this stage however, if I had to bet money on it today, I'd be more inclined to back a winter break.

Behind closed doors or cancelling the season altogether when people have been vaxxed and getting their boosters is not going to be a good look, with most in the not-at-risk group under the impression that getting jabbed was supposed to be their passport to freedom and a return to normality.

Agree, as discussed on here I’m still surprised how it’s not really been challenged how we have gone from vaccines stop 90% of people getting it to now even with 2 jabs and a booster there’s no guarantee, you have to ask, where do we go from here, tbf the take up and roll out has been extremely good in this country yet we are still in this position, you do ask yourself will this ever end.

[applepie2]

We are not in lockdown!

Indeed we aren’t, but we may be soon. I am still waiting for data on hospitalisation and death rates with Omicron, and hoping that they will be better than feared.

[Robertomac]

Does it look bleak because of what we're personally finding? Or does it look bleak because of the wall to wall doom mongering? As an example, going to the match yesterday felt pretty normal to me, but the Eastleigh game in March 2020 felt like we were on the cusp of something.

I caught part of a discussion on R4 this morning, making comparisons between now and the war. The main point was how the reporting then stuck more to simply relaying facts whereas now there's far greater use of sensationalism and hyperbole. I sense there's nothing the mainstream media would love more than another lockdown.

[Lullapie]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

[upthemaggies]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

To be honest, I think this variant does have the potential to become a very serious problem in countries that are heavily vaccinated, the contrast in panic between the UK and South Africa speaks volumes. We need to be reading between the lines and think about what's mot being said.

As things stand, my prediction is that we will eventually reach the stage where we will need to have lockdowns, segregation etc. to protect vaccinated people (or at least the older and vulnerable among them) as the window of 'protection' offered by the vaccines ever narrows as the virus adapts and evolves in the reservoir of vaxxed with waning effectiveness.

[macstop]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

I am completely with Neil on this matter, but my biggest fear is where the damn thing came from, it certainly did not come from bats, and if senator Paul Rand is correct we should be real scared, because this deadly stuff is still being made in China, and not by the Chinese.

P.S. if you all want to get scared of dying, get cancer like i did 14 months ago, i have had covid at the same time and that was a breeze, and i believe my immune system is stronger than any vax, but of cause no one is willing to test me.

[upthemaggies]

I am completely with Neil on this matter, but my biggest fear is where the damn thing came from, it certainly did not come from bats, and if senator Paul Rand is correct we should be real scared, because this deadly stuff is still being made in China, and not by the Chinese.

P.S. if you all want to get scared of dying, get cancer like i did 14 months ago, i have had covid at the same time and that was a breeze, and i believe my immune system is stronger than any vax, but of cause no one is willing to test me.

In science you can never say with 100% certainty, but the odds of this being a naturally incubated virus that can leap from animal to humans is ridiculously high, it bears all the hallmarks of gain of function experiments (speeding up evolutionary process with human interventions to its behaviour) . It has almost certainly come out of a lab and then you're only a stone's throw away from it being a deliberate leak. Basically, biological warfare.

Some link this to Chinese backed communist infiltration into academia and institutions in the US, but I think that's probably more of a relic of the KGB or a natural consequence of baby boomer generation gap rebellion happening on an unprecedented large scale in the 1960s. Even Peter Hitchens was a Trotskyist back then.

[upthemaggies]

Basically, biological warfare.
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I really should add that the Wuhan lab and the gain of function experiments were being funded (or at least partly) by the US. So there is definitely room for the argument that the pharma industry was behind it. If you look at the involvement of Trump for example in anticipating the coming pandemic before we'd even heard of Covid, you can see why people see a conspiracy. I just think there's too much chaos out there for any one group to organise such a thing on its own. Might be a case of a collusion between the Chinese government and big pharma though with people like Trump, Bill Gates following the money.

[BigFatPie]

It’s been a lovely thread, but the message is, get vaccinated. Please.

[Riverleeno]

Does it look bleak because of what we're personally finding? Or does it look bleak because of the wall to wall doom mongering? As an example, going to the match yesterday felt pretty normal to me, but the Eastleigh game in March 2020 felt like we were on the cusp of something.

I caught part of a discussion on R4 this morning, making comparisons between now and the war. The main point was how the reporting then stuck more to simply relaying facts whereas now there's far greater use of sensationalism and hyperbole. I sense there's nothing the mainstream media would love more than another lockdown.

The sensationalism and hyperbole is maybe why people are quick to blame 'the unvaccinated' for the current situation, and allows government to introduce - and a crap opposition to agree to - plans to exclude some people from day to day life despite the fact "it is still possible to catch and spread covid-19 even if fully vaccinated"* .
If you have had the vaccine why be worried if an unvaccinated person was to sit next to you at Meadow Lane, or think it right that the government could exclude people based on whether they have taken the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I'm concerned that people can be excluded from society based on whether they decline the covid-19 vaccine as I thought medical treatment wasn't meant to be based on coercion.
Once COVID passes become accepted I would worry this or future governments might mandate other medical choices to suit their agenda rather than letting the individual decide.


*gov.uk