O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

There are more salmonella deaths in the UK than the USA by size of population, 119 per year in USA, 67 here.

You've fallen for the pro-Remain BBC's misinformation.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/fact-...fact-checkers/

There is rightfully a debate about the info the BBC presented which for some reason focused only on illnesses like salmonella. But the food standards issue is much greater than that. Here are a few of the foods banned in the US that will be making their way into our eateries soon unless we are vigilant:

https://www.healthfitnessrevolution....ternationally/

The point is that it isn’t just about foods that directly lead to illness like this. It is about the steady increase in additives and substances that cumulatively are not meant for the human body and will in many cause long term illnesses. They are banned from other countries for a good reason based on scientific evidence. Why would we join America in consuming these? Sure, swallowing all of this will enable greater trade agreements on a wider scale, but this is quite some cost.

[harpo88]

There are more salmonella deaths in the UK than the USA by size of population, 119 per year in USA, 67 here.

You've fallen for the pro-Remain BBC's misinformation.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/fact-...fact-checkers/

Those numbers refer to a different bacteria. But ok a mixed picture here (and let's face it I'm not an expert but I do find some of this stats stuff interesting, how things come to be repeated without proper checking and we're all probably guilty of that). So the BBC stuff did seem to contain some incorrect stuff. At least they're more accountable and do have a way to challenge things - even if it takes a while to do so. If you listen to their More or Less radio programme they're happy to challenge the stats used in their own reports so this will inevitably come up again.

Anyway the source your link refers to UK data from a study from 2002 - when Public Health England (labs including Porton Down) have stats up to 2016. So that seems a bit cherry-picked too.

And a Dept Health report states that the dropoff in salmonella cases in the UK are a result of improved standards since mid 1990s.

(NB PHE stats appear to show 0 salmonella deaths from outbreaks caused by food in 2016, but don't know if that's the full picture): https://assets.publishing.service.go...6_may_2018.pdf

(By contrast US Govt says 378 salmonella deaths for 2011, which is the latest study that they refer to: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/17/1/pdfs/p1-1101.pdf)

[Timbertop]

Will the Change UK deserters now join the Liberals and will the Liberals change their name to the Remain Party ? !! Farcical.

[harpo88]

That also will be part of the TTIP agreement if we stay in the EU.

Still at least the Trump visit has given the snowflakes something different to cry about instead of Brexit for a change.

Noop, TTIP has been dropped.

[great_fire]

Noop, TTIP has been dropped.

Only suspended.

Trump and Juncker held a meeting last year about restarting negotiations.

Won't be called TTIP anymore but it will be the same thing.

[WanChaiMiller]

Only suspended.

Trump and Juncker held a meeting last year about restarting negotiations.

Won't be called TTIP anymore but it will be the same thing.

The NHS was not on the table in TTIP. That said all 28 EU countries need to ratify the agreement for TTIP to go through. If we didnt like any part of the agreement we could simply vote against.

[BigLadonOS]

Come on mate. Hardly any BSE cases nowadays (last in 2015 I think) and the regulators are well on top of it when there is a small breakout. Hundreds die in the US from salmonella each year, none in the UK in the last few years. Chlorine's not the biggest concern, it's that it's used to cover for lower hygiene standards and doesn't seem to work completely.

I don't even eat meat but I'd rather those that do stay healthy.

I am all in favour of dealing with the USA on many things but the food hygiene of the farmers in the US is basically raise it kill it wash it in Chlorine and hope for the best. Not a good plan in my view. It would also force our own farmers to lower their standards to compete or go out of business which is then defeating the Brexit call of doing the right thing for our own people.

[ragingpup]

I am all in favour of dealing with the USA on many things but the food hygiene of the farmers in the US is basically raise it kill it wash it in Chlorine and hope for the best. Not a good plan in my view. It would also force our own farmers to lower their standards to compete or go out of business which is then defeating the Brexit call of doing the right thing for our own people.

True. But the ambassador on the Marr show made it quite clear that if we are to take the trade deal, we will have to take their food standards.

Forced by another country to accept conditions we don't want.

That sound familiar?

[Exiletyke]

True. But the ambassador on the Marr show made it quite clear that if we are to take the trade deal, we will have to take their food standards.

Forced by another country to accept conditions we don't want.

That sound familiar?

You see rp the Yanks, on contemplating the best strategy, get straight in with what they expect,you now a bit like Maybot did a couple of years ago with the EU
& isn't that why we're in the sh1t mess we are in
Don't particularly like the Yanks but we surely could learn a lesson or two

[Stovicmiller]

Just because the American ambassador voices his opinion it does not make it fact. People believe what they want to believe.