Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Quite rightly so. But like I said, not just him, but lots could and should have been prosecuted earlier, had due procedure been followed. The simple fact remains, that politics(votes) and being scared to push the subject into the light went against those poor girls/ children.

You say much to learn, how many years now is it? Still we haven't learned and clamped down on it hard enough.

Can you just imagine the outrage and riots, had this been white Christian males, corrupting/ exploiting/raping solely muslim girls?
We get a mini hurricane, just by dropping that book of theirs on the floor.

Those that played this down, covered for it, swept it under the carpet need exposing.

‘That book of theirs’. Interesting choice of phrase.

Of course there are extremes on all sides. I imagine that there are many people who would be deeply offended at any disrespect aimed at the Bible and just look at the storm created by a footballer with an Irish Republican background declining to observe Remembrance Day and the Union Jack. People, including you, got all in a tizzy last year because the national flag was wrongly coloured on a football shirt collar and Lee Carsley declined to sing the National Anthem.

I doubt very much if there would have been riots if the roles had been reversed in the way you describe but it works both ways Tricky and you’re right, the grooming gangs issue hasn’t always been handled well but those such as yourself, with not very carefully hidden agendas, aren’t helping.

[Trickytreesreds]

?That book of theirs?. Interesting choice of phrase.

Of course there are extremes on all sides. I imagine that there are many people who would be deeply offended at any disrespect aimed at the Bible and just look at the storm created by a footballer with an Irish Republican background declining to observe Remembrance Day and the Union Jack. People, including you, got all in a tizzy last year because the national flag was wrongly coloured on a football shirt collar and Lee Carsley declined to sing the National Anthem.

I doubt very much if there would have been riots if the roles had been reversed in the way you describe but it works both ways Tricky and you?re right, the grooming gangs issue hasn?t always been handled well but those such as yourself, with not very carefully hidden agendas, aren?t helping.

oh come on, that book of theirs is an affront to an inclusive society.
I never see an eyelid getting battered if you drop a bible on the floor, Remember the kid who got hounded to death and his mum grovelling in a mosque?
How about the teacher still in hiding for daring to discuss pictures ?
You see your examples, don't cause outbursts of extreme violence, that usually results in bullets / bombs/ car rammings.

there is a reason that 95% OF mi5's watch list is made up of Islamic followers and not far right.
So swings both ways is a fallacy.

I have every right to be angry and call this out for what it is. A cover up and failure to clamp down on an evil crime, in the name of votes and the altar of multiculturalism.

[Trickytreesreds]

Talking of cover ups. We all know, that the last government stopped making it easy under the freedom of information act, to access crime figures by nationality.
Well If this on the mark, it makes scary reading.

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1876192194270568934

Folks wonder why, right wing is spreading across Europe. It is because many governments are doing this as regularly as clock work, hiding the raw facts.

[MadAmster]

Talking of cover ups. We all know, that the last government stopped making it easy under the freedom of information act, to access crime figures by nationality.
Well If this on the mark, it makes scary reading.

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1876192194270568934

Folks wonder why, right wing is spreading across Europe. It is because many governments are doing this as regularly as clock work, hiding the raw facts.

Problem is, right wingers like Wilders and Meloni, like Trump, get in by telling folk what they want to hear. Once in power they find out some of the things they want to do are illegal and/or against international treaties. Other things turn out to have been lies. Meloni isn't doing what she promised. Wilders is doing the opposite of what he promised. During the election he lambasted other parties for not declaring they'd immediately scrap the ?365 excess on health insurance saying they were a disgrace. Now in power, the excess isn't going immediately, it's being halved in 2027. The minimum wage was going to go up by quite a lot. The increase has now been scrapped. He was going to introduce the sternest immigration policies ever. Nothing's happened. His immigration minister can't even come up with a viable plan. Keeps saying she has one, then it's not yet finished, then a part is leaked and it turns out to be illegal. One of the first things this new government has done is give tax breaks to the rich and the multinationals (which Trump also did in 2017) while the poorer 60%, who were told they were going to be better off, find themselves roughly where they were on spending power.

These populist parties promise the world and can't even deliver the Isle of Wight. I wonder why folk think Farridge is going to be any different.

[ramAnag]

oh come on, that book of theirs is an affront to an inclusive society.
I never see an eyelid getting battered if you drop a bible on the floor, Remember the kid who got hounded to death and his mum grovelling in a mosque?
How about the teacher still in hiding for daring to discuss pictures ?
You see your examples, don't cause outbursts of extreme violence, that usually results in bullets / bombs/ car rammings.

there is a reason that 95% OF mi5's watch list is made up of Islamic followers and not far right.
So swings both ways is a fallacy.

I have every right to be angry and call this out for what it is. A cover up and failure to clamp down on an evil crime, in the name of votes and the altar of multiculturalism.

The figure last October was actually 75% Islamic terrorists and 25% far right. Infinitely too high on both counts but probably explained by the fact that there are far more Islamic extremists in the world than far right nutcases.

I?m not one for ?battering? eyelids but it seems simplistic to suggest that followers of Islam have some sort of monopoly where sectarian violence is concerned. Suspect there were quite a few bullets/bombs and car ramming cases in Ireland.

I agree, we all have every right to be angry, and to call out cover ups, but your repeated hyperbole and prejudice helps no one.

[MadAmster]

The figure last October was actually 75% Islamic terrorists and 25% far right. Infinitely too high on both counts but probably explained by the fact that there are far more Islamic extremists in the world than far right nutcases.

I?m not one for ?battering? eyelids but it seems simplistic to suggest that followers of Islam have some sort of monopoly where sectarian violence is concerned. Suspect there were quite a few bullets/bombs and car ramming cases in Ireland.

I agree, we all have every right to be angry, and to call out cover ups, but your repeated hyperbole and prejudice helps no one.

I gravely doubt it's intended to...

[Andy_Faber]

The figure last October was actually 75% Islamic terrorists and 25% far right. Infinitely too high on both counts

Thats a badly thought through response to an almost as badly offered original statement. TTR doesn't state whether 75% (lets say 75% to avoid that bit of the argument) is 75% of a bloody massive problem or a really small problem. I think the former but not providing some meaningful absolutes demonstrates TTR's prejudice. rA Responding by implying parity between Islamic and far right numbers demonstrates an equal and opposite prejudice.

[ramAnag]

Thats a badly thought through response to an almost as badly offered original statement. TTR doesn't state whether 75% (let?s say 75% to avoid that bit of the argument) is 75% of a bloody massive problem or a really small problem. I think the former but not providing some meaningful absolutes demonstrates TTR's prejudice. rA Responding by implying parity between Islamic and far right numbers demonstrates an equal and opposite prejudice.

I was responding to Tricky’s assertion that 95% of MI5’s watch list is made up of Islamic followers and not far right, which seemed unlikely.
(Actually Tricky doesn’t refer to 75% at all. Think you’ve misread/understood that bit.)

In doing so I quoted the DG of MI5, Ken McCallum, who - as recently as 9/10/24 - described the split of MI5’s counter terrorism work as roughly 75% Islamic extremist and 25% extreme right wing terrorism.

I wasn’t aware that 75% and 25% implied parity, but if you think it’s a ‘badly thought through’ comment then take it up with Mr. McCallum not me. I’m just quoting someone who probably knows a thing or two about this issue. Possibly even more than you, or I, or TTR.

[SithHappens]

Who's voting Bruv next time ?

[Geoff Parkstone]

The figure last October was actually 75% Islamic terrorists and 25% far right. Infinitely too high on both counts but probably explained by the fact that there are far more Islamic extremists in the world than far right nutcases.

I?m not one for ?battering? eyelids but it seems simplistic to suggest that followers of Islam have some sort of monopoly where sectarian violence is concerned. Suspect there were quite a few bullets/bombs and car ramming cases in Ireland.

I agree, we all have every right to be angry, and to call out cover ups, but your repeated hyperbole and prejudice helps no one.

Not sure how percentages can be "infinitely too high on both counts". A percentage is merely the proportion of the whole that a particular attribute represents. Thus by definition the sum of said percentages will always total 100% regardless of the number of incidents involved eg if there were 4 total incidents then 3 would be Islamic using your 75/25 hypothesis: the same split would apply if 4000 total incidents of which 3000 Islamic.