O/T Frack me

[animallittle3]

Monty: had a quick look at the article. Being a bit ignorant about Nelson bar the basics i was quite shocked about what a baddie this guy actually was. Bit lik e the Columbus thing. Based on what I have read here, yes his statue should come down.When Saddam's statue came down everybody applauded this and rightly so there really ain't much difference for me. It's funny the sort of people we utilise and iconise in this country. I was in cardiff earlier in this year and saw the bevan statue. Now he did deserve his erection! I was hoping that mmad members might club together and put up a statue of me outside forums towers when I pop me clogs! ��

We can both split Karl Marx in Highgate cemetery roly when our time comes !!

:-) :-)

[rolymiller]

I know that this will rile a few on here but that is a statue you shouldn't remove.

Go gentle on me kerr...

[Exiletyke]

We can both split Karl Marx in Highgate cemetery roly when our time comes !!

:-) :-)

I heard that Marx's grave in Highgate is just another communist plot Animal
In response to Roly's comment I made the same point a year or two back re Bevans statue in Cardiff & was actually surprised that no statue exists in London [well I don't think so] where it should [I bet we will see one to Thatcher eventually though]
It might be an interesting to see how many of our "famous" statues have been erected by Tory administrations compared to Labour
Just a thought

[rolymiller]

I think there is one of Thatcher somewhere exile . Didn't some demonstrators once put some paint on it. I may be wrong.

Yep a quick search of Google reveals this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tatue-blocked/

Another one to come down methinks. I don't half live dangerously me!

Oh hang on I've misread it it was never put up. Phew!

[monty_rhodes]

There is no difference between Afua Hirsch and the rent-a-mob of student activists now prowling universities for any hint of past bad behaviour (bad by their lights of course) and the Muslim extremists blowing up ancient monuments. Is Abraham Lincoln safe?

[KerrAvon]

Just seen this article kerr. At first I thought your drive towards being veggies looks a good thing but... http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2016...ent-vegetarian

The article lists the many benefits that would flow from a drastic reduction in meat consumption. I'm sure you noticed that you could actually go some way to offsetting the environmental cost of your two cars if you cut down on your consumption.

Of course there is a cost when there are significant changes to an economy. Those engaged in UK coal mining have paid it in the last thirty years or so, canal workers paid it when rail and later road took over and so on. I'm sure that fletchers were hit when muskets came along...

My facist suggestion yesterday was for two meat free days per week. Surely that's a decent start.

[KerrAvon]

I know that this will rile a few on here but that is a statue you shouldn't remove.

Go gentle on me kerr...

I don't think Marx could have forseen the harm and misery that would flow and are still flowing from his writings. You'd like to think he would have tried straight fiction if he had.

[great_fire]

I don't think Marx could have forseen the harm and misery that would flow and are still flowing from his writings. You'd like to think he would have tried straight fiction if he had.

It's cultural Marxism/ Critical Theory/ Political Correctness that's doing the real damage.

It's a virus that was unleashed by the Soviets and seems unstoppable, hollowing out institutions and destroying society, family, religion, every loyalty that people have that's not to the state.

Marx thought that the proletariat would rise up and take over. The cultural Marxists said that this didn't happen because existing institutions were too strong and well-established and needed to be destroyed first. They also believed that a coalition of aggrieved minorities would be the ones to lead the revolution not the working classes.

That's what we see now, hollowed out institutions and ever-increasing grievance politics.

[rolymiller]

It's cultural Marxism/ Critical Theory/ Political Correctness that's doing the real damage.

It's a virus that was unleashed by the Soviets and seems unstoppable, hollowing out institutions and destroying society, family, religion, every loyalty that people have that's not to the state.

Marx thought that the proletariat would rise up and take over. The cultural Marxists said that this didn't happen because existing institutions were too strong and well-established and needed to be destroyed first. They also believed that a coalition of aggrieved minorities would be the ones to lead the revolution not the working classes.

That's what we see now, hollowed out institutions and ever-increasing grievance politics.

Wow! So the revolution starts at the BBC! Look out Michael Burke!

Where did the cultural Marxists say this? i'm sure somebody in the know will correct me on this but I would have thought any Marxist Revolution will be through the working classes primarily.It would be a case of the aggrieved minorities joining them at the barricades to fight their oppressors I would think.

There is nowt Marxist about TV culture or why do we get Alan Sugar on every year, endless coverage of the Royals, Alan Bloody Titchmarsh, Period dramas with pampered upper class toffs which make Rees Mogg look like Albert chuffin Steptoe... I could go on...

You really shouldn't make things up.

[great_fire]

Wow! So the revolution starts at the BBC! Look out Michael Burke!

Where did the cultural Marxists say this? i'm sure somebody in the know will correct me on this but I would have thought any Marxist Revolution will be through the working classes primarily.It would be a case of the aggrieved minorities joining them at the barricades to fight their oppressors I would think.

There is nowt Marxist about TV culture or why do we get Alan Sugar on every year, endless coverage of the Royals, Alan Bloody Titchmarsh, Period dramas with pampered upper class toffs which make Rees Mogg look like Albert chuffin Steptoe... I could go on...

You really shouldn't make things up.

There's cultural Marxist stuff on the BBC news front page most days, high up yesterday was a "black and Irish" story, it wasn't actual news.

All those stories they have about oppressed women and minorities, it's part of the cultural Marxist campaign to destroy society and to create grievances, to create that coalition of aggrieved minorities to bring down the government and the capitalist system.

That's why I don't give them any money.

As for your other point, Marx thought the working classes would lead the revolution but the Frankfurt School (most famously Marcuse), who were the original cultural Marxists, and people like Gramsci, Lukács and Münzenberg didn't.