O/T Democracy

[BigLadonOS]

They have not been the Labour Party for the working class people of this country since 1994 and I will let you guess who was leader then.

[Stovicmiller]

Never ever going to get a deal when most of parliament are stabbing the negotiations in the back. Speak with one voice and we would get a better deal

[ragingpup]

Never ever going to get a deal when most of parliament are stabbing the negotiations in the back. Speak with one voice and we would get a better deal

The powers that be don't want a deal. Rudd said so today.

And most Leavers on here don't want a deal - Johnson's only intention of dropping the backstop won't cut it on here or with the ERG.

Let's just stop the pretense. You do not want a deal. End of.

[BigLadonOS]

Who on here thinks that these remoaner MP's who are forcing Boris to go and ask for an extension are traitors to the UK. What they are doing is to try and force the queen to give her consent to a law that would undermine her own government! How can that be right?

[Godsend.F.C.]

Amber Rudd has gone now and Macron is talking about not giving an extension.
Something’s got to give somewhere.

[BigLadonOS]

Amber Rudd has gone now and Macron is talking about not giving an extension.
Something’s got to give somewhere.

Macron has said that he would not back an extension on every other occasion but changed his mind when it came to it and he will do the same again.

[animallittle3]

The Government is disintegrating before the nations eyes at a time when the country is searching for what it actually wants to be going forward .

The Government will fall but nobody wants a GE as yet and I'm far from certain a GE would actually change anything given it's unlikely anyone can form a majority government without deals getting done .

Labour in bed with the SNP and the LD's would cost them another referendum in Scotland and firmly remaining in the EU in my opinion .

There's a fair chance the Tories could form a government with the Brexit Party and the DUP I guess but the moderates in the Tory seats may not stomach the recent goings on and could take their vote to the LD's .

It will probably come down to who can withstand the political damage the best , the Brexit Party could inflict serious wounds to Labour in the northern Brexit Heartlands and the LD's to the Tories in the moderate tory safe seats .

We could very easily have another stalemate in parliament which just compounds the situation even more .

Clearly what we have is a Remain v Leave election and who knows how this will play out .

As unpalatable a situation as I could ever envisage for me personally because whilst I want out of the EU and ain't voting for Farage to be running the country for the next five years , different gravy voting for him as a protest in the European elections and a GE because when all is said and done Brexit isn't the only show in town when running the country .

No I'll sit it out and I'll have to accept what others decide .

[Stovicmiller]

Who on here thinks that these remoaner MP's who are forcing Boris to go and ask for an extension are traitors to the UK. What they are doing is to try and force the queen to give her consent to a law that would undermine her own government! How can that be right?

they are traitors without doubt

[BigLadonOS]

they are traitors without doubt

I would go as far as to say that it is high treason from these remoanser tossers. Colluding with a foreign power to undermine our government and to also make the queen undermine her own government. They should be jailed for what they are doing never mind left to fight a GE.

[BigLadonOS]

Boris makes a plan that would see the UK refuse to appoint a commissioner, putting the EU in breach of its own legal duty for all 28 member states to be represented on its executive branch. He also said that if they tried to change the law to make it less than the 28 he would use his veto to stop it from happening. This would effectively stop the EU from working on anything that requires to be passed by the 28 EU countries so in effect it would bring them to a standstill.

No 10 believes the UK would be “disrupting” Brussels life to such a degree that member states will then make it clear they will refuse to grant an Article 50 extension – even if asked for.

A source said: “We will turn the pressure onto the EU to show how difficult it will be for them if the UK is still hanging around.”

The aim is to force an acceptable Brexit deal, but the source added: “If they won’t negotiate a deal, it would be ideal if they would kick us out.”

Nice one Boris.