O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[monty_rhodes]

Some of the views on integration and the "hug a Muslim" nonsense spouted on here are very wide of the mark. Iram Ramzan, a Manchester journlaist and female Muslim, wrote in the Sunday Times (p.10). After pointing out that many of the so-called moderate Muslim spokespeople wheeled out by the BBC and other media are people "...who have supported blasphemy laws in Pakistan and whose organisations have played host to extremist preachers" and that she was taught that going to concerts and listening to music were wrong and forbidden she stated "...these views are considered mainstream, not necessarily extreme." She concluded, "...I get frustrated when people simply blame British foreign policy for creating terrorists... These people simply hate this 'heathen lifestyle."
There you have it. There is a widely-held contempt in the UK Muslim community for aspects of Western lifestyle, these views are mainstream and these views are encouraging acts of Islamic violence.

[kempo]

So instead of independently comissioned British reports, you prefer articles from the National Review, an American conservative magazine?

It certainly picks out bits. Cherry picks to suit its narrative.

Predictable response from you.

Denying the link between political correctness, fear of reporting problems in a group of a particular ethnicity and failure to act in the Rotherham child abuse is frankly shocking.

The evidence has been presented and you choose to close your eyes to it and make your usual smart ar..se comments.

Every report I have seen has mentioned this as a factor.

I feel rather sad for the child victims when people like yourself try and promote this denial of the facts.

[KerrAvon]

I will draw your attention to an excellent article by Allott and Allott which summarises and picks out conclusions from both the Jay report and Casey reports entitled Lessons of Rotherham with a heading...Political correctness played a MAJOR role in a shocking ***ual abuse scandal.

kempo, as I said I would, I've read Louise Casey's review of Rotherham Council. Unlike Professor Jay, she does link an unwilligness to discuss issues of ethnicity with the contiunation of the abuse in a single paragraph: Rotherham’s suppression of these uncomfortable issues and its fear of being branded racist has done a disservice to the Pakistani heritage community as well as the wider community. It has prevented discussion and effective action to tackle the problem. This has allowed perpetrators to remain at large, has let victims down, and perversely, has allowed the far right to try and exploit the situation. These may have been unintended consequences but the impact remains the same and reaches into the present day.

Within the chapter headed 'Where were the Police?', the question of the ethnicity of the majority of offenders is not addressed, with the focus being on the failure of the police to recognise abuse for what it was. It's a particularly disturbing section with one officer being quoted as saying: “The girls were blamed for a lot of what happened. It’s unbelievable and key to why it wasn’t taken seriously as an issue” and another person being quoted as telling the inspection: “There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags.”

I agree with John2 that the article that you decsribe is a poor source, coming, as it does, from an American neo-con site. It's like looking on the EDL website for objective view on the subject. As I mentioned, it's a bit disturbing that some of the quotes in the article that purport to come from Casey don't actually appear in her report.

[kempo]

It makes no sense quoting Reid...He has browny coloured skin and had converted to Islam so was picked up by passenger profilers at Paris according to Wiki and even refused boarding.

The following day he somehow got through extended passenger screening according to Wiki so is a nonsense example.

To argue that it is so difficult to spot a passenger who is likely to be a Muslim is frankly ridiculous as I'm sure the vast majority will agree..Their skin colour is the first clue...Let's not go into denial as per the Rotherham Abuse scandal

[KerrAvon]

It makes no sense quoting Reid...He has browny coloured skin and had converted to Islam so was picked up by passenger profilers at Paris according to Wiki and even refused boarding.

The following day he somehow got through extended passenger screening according to Wiki so is a nonsense example.

To argue that it is so difficult to spot a passenger who is likely to be a Muslim is frankly ridiculous as I'm sure the vast majority will agree..Their skin colour is the first clue...Let's not go into denial as per the Rotherham Abuse scandal

If you are reading wiki, you'll note that it says that he was picked up on his first run due to his disheveled appearance rather than because he had converted to Islam, which, unless you are telling me otherwise, would not be apparent from his appearance.

I note that wiki also suggests that As a result of these events, airlines required passengers departing from an airport in the United States to pass through airport security in socks or bare feet while their shoes are scanned for bombs, which doesn't appear to have been sota's experience yesterday.

[KerrAvon]

kempo/Ellis.

Given that we are going wiki, here's a link to the page for Ramzan Kadyrov, the president of the Chechen Republic, which gave us the Boston Marathon bombers as well as providing many of the foreign fighters operating in Syria and Iraq. Note his appearance. Does he pass the 'Muslim looking person' test?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov

Chechnya is part of the Caucasus, which gives us the word Caucasian.

There are Muslims in China and other parts of the Far East and, of course, the most populous Muslim country in the world is Indonesia, so I suppose that people of an oriental appearance must also be lumped into the 'Muslim looking person' category.

[millmoormagic]

Not forgetting Bosnian, Albanian etc etc...

[kempo]

If you are reading wiki, you'll note that it says that he was picked up on his first run due to his disheveled appearance rather than because he had converted to Islam, which, unless you are telling me otherwise, would not be apparent from his appearance.

I note that wiki also suggests that As a result of these events, airlines required passengers departing from an airport in the United States to pass through airport security in socks or bare feet while their shoes are scanned for bombs, which doesn't appear to have been sota's experience yesterday.

I have been to New York 3 times this year and Miami once and have been to NY at least twice each year for the last 4 years.

Every time every passenger has had to go through without shoes which go through the scanner with the usual stuff.

On security every time I have arrived everyone has been finger printed and asked a series of security questions.

On departure I have had a body scan each and every time.

Just facts,not making a particular point other than security is always at a high level in the States.

[KerrAvon]

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I was at Newark ( New York) a few weeks ago and like Miami brown people were being searched on entering the departure lounge and white people not so...Nobody complained and it seems a sensible policy.

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I have been to New York 3 times this year and Miami once and have been to NY at least twice each year for the last 4 years.

Every time every passenger has had to go through without shoes which go through the scanner with the usual stuff.

On security every time I have arrived everyone has been finger printed and asked a series of security questions.

On departure I have had a body scan each and every time.

Just facts,not making a particular point other than security is always at a high level in the States.

Mmmm... You seem to be contradicting yourself there. We know from the legendary pants on the head photo that you aren't black.

[kempo]

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Mmmm... You seem to be contradicting yourself there. We know from the legendary pants on the head photo that you aren't black.

Surely you cannot be a lawyer..Policeman maybe?....but you cannot be a lawyer even though you try and give that impression.