O/T:- Covid Trump

[Elite_Pie]

Then it should be easy for you to name three things he’ll definitely be convicted of without the pardon. Can you?

Welcome back Alty, I see you're still in the habit of asking unanswerable questions! I don't think anyone could name three things he would definitely be convicted of, but surely the events of the other night made it a bit clearer as to what sort of person he is?

Or maybe you're one of those who believe the riots were really caused by left wing extremists!

[SwalePie]

Then it should be easy for you to name three things he’ll definitely be convicted of without the pardon. Can you?

Save me some time. Google is your friend. There are many, many articles on this subject you can find.

Here's one...

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/trump-election-crimes-prosecution/

[the_anticlough]

Save me some time. Google is your friend. There are many, many articles on this subject you can find.

Here's one...

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/trump-election-crimes-prosecution/

That's a strong list Swale, but it's amazing to think that's only up to Oct 20...everything since then deserves a list/article for itself.

[magpie_mania]

Crooks or nutters, the country's full of 'em. I expect some of them think the "real" Trump has been taken by aliens and substituted with an even more lunatic muppet. Hard to tell the difference really.

I notice that Nancy Pelosi is voicing concern about Trump's control of the USA's nuclear arsenal. In theory he could order an attack...

Some interesting conspiracy theories reported by BBC

Video is a fake
He is being held hostage and it was made under duress
He is in full control and playing '5D chess' and has a complex plan which will confirm him in power and expose his enemies

Take your pick!

[BigFatPie]

No, but it doesn't entirely surprise me that you're the one who takes my genuine attempt at an objective analysis of the situation in the United States and seeks to re-interpret it in a malicious way. I suppose that having seen the word 'Jackal' at the top of the post, and knowing that my personal views are right-leaning, everything you read after that (if you actually did read it) was going to be interpreted through your usual filter.

I’m interpreting your post through the filter of you previously being a fan of Trump, but like a lot of others, pretending that now you’never were.

If you’d said that Trump tapped into the latent racism that many people have, and used it to his political advantage, then I’d have fully agreed with you. Brexit supporting politicians did something similar. For some reason you always want to swerve that simple truth.

The George Floyd protestors were, by and large demonstrating against long term discrimination and systemic racism. What were those who invaded the Capitol protesting about?

[TheBlackHorse]

... steady Jackal, BFP has a kind of knee jerk reaction to anyone who posts (a) common sense, (b) who is a bit of a righty and (c) anyone who attacks his Dad, AKA Elite or Snobhead 1. His posts often bare no relation to what you may have posted and, as we know, often try to insert some righteous lefty comment. I know that you will dust off his comments as you would a gnat which landed on your sleeve ...

[BigFatPie]

... steady Jackal, BFP has a kind of knee jerk reaction to anyone who posts (a) common sense, (b) who is a bit of a righty and (c) anyone who attacks his Dad, AKA Elite or Snobhead 1. His posts often bare no relation to what you may have posted and, as we know, often try to insert some righteous lefty comment. I know that you will dust off his comments as you would a gnat which landed on your sleeve ...

Nice one Hoss. If I was Jackal and I’d got to the end of writing another well-written and considered post only to find that you agreed with any of it, I’d be quickly reaching for the delete button. And the glue...

[jackal2]

If I was Jackal and I’d got to the end of writing another well-written and considered post...

Apologies BFP I didn't realise your initial response to my post was saying it was well-written and considered. I must have seen the name 'BigFatPie' at the top and, knowing your left-leaning political views, automatically assumed you were criticising me!

[Elite_Pie]

... steady Jackal, BFP has a kind of knee jerk reaction to anyone who posts (a) common sense, (b) who is a bit of a righty and (c) anyone who attacks his Dad, AKA Elite or Snobhead 1. His posts often bare no relation to what you may have posted and, as we know, often try to insert some righteous lefty comment. I know that you will dust off his comments as you would a gnat which landed on your sleeve ...

Do you still believe the election was stolen from Trump, Horsey?

[jackal2]

I’m interpreting your post through the filter of you previously being a fan of Trump, but like a lot of others, pretending that now you never were.

I don't ever recall describing myself as a “fan” of Trump. In fact I have some recollection of writing a while back that I wasn't particularly a fan of Trump as a person. What IS true is that as someone with right-leaning views I inevitably agreed with the thrust of quite a few of his policies, particularly on the economic front. I still do, but it doesn’t mean I endorse everything he has ever said and done. I don’t even say that about Margaret Thatcher!

If you’d said that Trump tapped into the latent racism that many people have, and used it to his political advantage, then I’d have fully agreed with you. Brexit supporting politicians did something similar.

I'm sure you would agree, because those are value judgements made through your filter that everyone who voted for Trump or Brexit is a racist.

(Actually, I credit you with plenty enough intelligence to know that isn’t true, but I’m using an exaggerated form of your own simplistic narrative to parody that narrative. That's a technique often used by the left-wing comedian Stewart Lee, of whom I am a fan).

The George Floyd protestors were, by and large demonstrating against long term discrimination and systemic racism. What were those who invaded the Capitol protesting about?

I don’t presume to know what was in the mind of each individual protestor but I’m sure both/any groups of protestors are entirely convinced of their cause to demonstrate and the injustice they believe they have suffered. The extent to which they have a legitimate case is a subjective judgement which boils all the way down to each individual’s personal experience, and even then will vary depending upon who is making that judgement and their own political bias.

The more important point is that public frustration and anger can become dangerous and subject to political exploitation regardless of whether it is judged to be well-founded or not. Any politician genuinely seeking a resolution to these societal problems needs to begin a dialogue with any sizeable group of protestors from the starting point that their view is heard, even if it is not entirely accepted. At least then you have a basis for discussion and progress. Otherwise, any group of people who feel their concerns are being marginalized or dismissed will only become more angry.