The DERRY

[Taintedice]

I'm sure the money that secured the sale of the shares from the administrator came from the fans. Why would anyone seek to deny that? All who made a donation were included as a member of the society and treated as having one vote. It wasn't possible to sustain that model and there was a change made to charge a £5 subscription. The original membership was the basis for several years without any payments being asked for. It wasn't practical to try to maintain an organisation with several thousand members especially when the main revenue earning method was taken back by DFC, Deetv. There was a decision to charge an annual subscription and everyone could retain their membership by paying this.

DFCSS has done absolutely nothing that is not within the terms of their rules. I've tried to retain an interest in DFCSS because of the rights they have to restrain FPS from certain actions. I think FPS have shown considerable financial support for the managers that they have employed and unfortunately this has not produced better results.There isn't any agenda from DFCSS. From what I see they correctly understood that the restrictions that they have about the ground, the name and the colours of the club are matters of concern for all supporters and they have acted in exactly the sort of public spirited way by bringing to the attention of their members the fact that FPS would like to move to a new stadium, which is one of the restrictions imposed on FPS. The power to accept changes to these restrictions lies with the board of DFCSS, and it is to their credit that they have employed legal counsel, and shared the situation with their members. Neither DFCSS nor FPS are villains in this discussion. They both want the club to be successful but to get there FPS have a plan to build a new stadium.

I'm sorry you distrust DFCSS but I think in the current situation they have acted with the best interests of all supporters and they genuinely would like to know what they think about the situation they are facing. Do they sell their shares to the club and give up the restrictions that their A shares impose on FPS, or is there another way to act?

DFCSS are the evil witch to me and fairy godmother to you, I can't agree with any of your post at all if you could stop saying DFCSS are interested in non-members (97% of the fanbase) views when we know for a fact they aren't, that would be helpful

[islaydarkblue]

They have just under 150 members.

Around 3% of our regular support , probably less than 1% of those that see DFC as their team.

There are around 4,000 historical members who like me paid their £1 joining fee. I am now a full member of DFCSS paying an annual fee of £5. I suggest that the historical members of DFCSS should become full members paying their £5 annual fee and they can stand for election to the board of directors and attend the AGM.
In my opinion there is no point in non members of DFCSS snipeing on this board when they can join the society and stand up be counted at AGM’s.

[islaydarkblue]

I have no idea who even runs dfcss any more,the problem is the majority of fans are sceptical due to imo the actions of 2 or 3 individuals back in the day who looked to be on an ego trip.Maybe now is the time to restructure the dfcss model to re-engage with the majority of fans like Dee for life did.

I suggest that you look at the DFCSS website which explains who are on the current board of directors.

[islaydarkblue]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

Hi hmac
You know that one of the problems of having 4,000 historical members was that it was very difficult to have a quorum at the AGM or Special Meeting as under the rules of the constitution at that time they needed around 200 members to be present. Members turned up for meetings when we were in admin 2 and shortly afterwards but like most groups members lose interest and does not bother turning up for AGM’s or other specially called meetings.

[islaydarkblue]

DFCSS are the evil witch to me and fairy godmother to you, I can't agree with any of your post at all if you could stop saying DFCSS are interested in non-members (97% of the fanbase) views when we know for a fact they aren't, that would be helpful

Hi Taintedice.
I suggest that you join DFCSS or would you prefer that the current members of DFCSS did nothing and sleep walked into FPS running rough shod over the Dundee supporters.

[islaydarkblue]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

In your original post you mentioned a Bob Barclay who was one of the saviours of the club along with Bryan Jackson and the Colvin’s.
Who is Bob Barclay.
Incidentally Bryan Jackson and his firm of administrators were handsomely paid for their work with the details available to read on the Companies House website.

[hmac]

In your original post you mentioned a Bob Barclay who was one of the saviours of the club along with Bryan Jackson and the Colvin’s.
Who is Bob Barclay.
Incidentally Bryan Jackson and his firm of administrators were handsomely paid for their work with the details available to read on the Companies House website.

Maybe ask DFCSS who Bob Barclay is, after all they’ll know if they really saved the Club right?

On the payment to the Administratiors, they were on a flat fee and received much less than might have been expected. They later had an additional payment due to additional work required by guess who.....yep DFCSS

Isley do you know where the missing minutes are? Or why they vanished from DFCSS website?

[Taintedice]

Hi Taintedice.
I suggest that you join DFCSS or would you prefer that the current members of DFCSS did nothing and sleep walked into FPS running rough shod over the Dundee supporters.

FPS were voted in by the fans over DFCSS, who were destroying the club. But ok, I'll join an organisation which would have happily seen Dundee go bust rather than move aside and lose their blazers.

[BCram]

DFCSS are the evil witch to me and fairy godmother to you, I can't agree with any of your post at all if you could stop saying DFCSS are interested in non-members (97% of the fanbase) views when we know for a fact they aren't, that would be helpful

Hi Taintedice. I'm quite happy to agree to disagree. I wonder what you would do if you or any others were in my position and had to give advice to the board of DFCSS about the A shares. They are the shares that have the restrictions.

[Taintedice]

I can't see how it's possible for you to offer advice, unless DFCSS have informed their members of FPS's motivations in wanting the A-Shares? I believe they've already made their minds up, so your feedback will be ignored.