O/T Jeremy corbyn

[WanChaiMiller]

Depends on what your interpretation of "Rich" is?

Lets just say hed prefer to give £9.8bn to higher rate tax payers than helping the nhs or schools.

[gm_gm]

Lets just say hed prefer to give £9.8bn to higher rate tax payers than helping the nhs or schools.

The highest rate of tax is 45% above £150k not the 40% above £50,001 which now isnt a massive wage

[WanChaiMiller]

What he was pointing out if you cared to do a bit of research instead of taking things at face value is that of the world of discrimination laws.

Any company that employs more than 15 people can fall fowl of this law whether they intended to or not. So lets say that a business has 15 all white local workers and the business wants to hire a 16th worker and 23 people go for the job, lets say that there are 9 foreigners out of the 23 and the boss chooses the best man for the job but he happens to be a white local lad as his 16th worker. This means that the 9 people of foreign decent can then take the business to tribunal for discrimination and they will have to justify their selection. Farage is only saying that cannot be right can it? Or does he have to hire a foreign worker that is not as good as the local lad just so he does not get taken to court for discrimination.

A huge dollop of scaremongering there by you and Farage. What you say is substantively not true. The law is in place as much to protect employers from false accusations as workers from discrimination.* In reality its about companies having their policy and processes documented and in place. Acas will not move a case forward, or a job candidate wont win a case, for the simple reason they are on the discriminated list and did not get the job. Employers are well protected by the law.

This is more evidence that Farage and ERG have a bigger agenda to dilute workers rights (employment law, health and safety at work and minimum wage) to make the UK a low cost deregulated market. Leaving the EU opens us up to this change.

["The Equality Act 2010 is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom with the primary purpose of consolidating, updating and supplementing the numerous prior Acts and Regulations, that formed the basis of anti-discrimination law in Great Britain."]

[ragingpup]

A huge dollop of scaremongering there by you and Farage. What you say is substantively not true. The law is in place as much to protect employers from false accusations as workers from discrimination.* In reality its about companies having their policy and processes documented and in place. Acas will not move a case forward, or a job candidate wont win a case, for the simple reason they are on the discriminated list and did not get the job. Employers are well protected by the law.

This is more evidence that Farage and ERG have a bigger agenda to dilute workers rights (employment law, health and safety at work and minimum wage) to make the UK a low cost deregulated market. Leaving the EU opens us up to this change.

["The Equality Act 2010 is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom with the primary purpose of consolidating, updating and supplementing the numerous prior Acts and Regulations, that formed the basis of anti-discrimination law in Great Britain."]

That's pretty much it. The fact that Farage is saying that he would like employers to be able to waive this legal obligation to demonstrate equal opportunities (I do loads of interviews, it's not a lot and you can still choose the best person for the job regardless of race - I've not once had to justify my choices be legal challenge) just for local "UK born" people, to discriminate in their favour, for me is a trait of far right politics going by the definition.

On balance, I think that I am persuaded by the views that he is not a demonstrably far right politician (as Batton clearly is/was) but he does have revealing slips. But centre right BL? Do me a favour! But he does run a party that has demonstrably attracted a large following of both far and extreme right supporters. Are they his useful idiots, or is he theirs?

[KerrAvon]

That's pretty much it. The fact that Farage is saying that he would like employers to be able to waive this legal obligation to demonstrate equal opportunities (I do loads of interviews, it's not a lot and you can still choose the best person for the job regardless of race - I've not once had to justify my choices be legal challenge) just for local "UK born" people, to discriminate in their favour, for me is a trait of far right politics going by the definition.

On balance, I think that I am persuaded by the views that he is not a demonstrably far right politician (as Batton clearly is/was) but he does have revealing slips. But centre right BL? Do me a favour! But he does run a party that has demonstrably attracted a large following of both far and extreme right supporters. Are they his useful idiots, or is he theirs?

Far right by definition? Is that the Wikipedia definition that you had to torture to make your point?

As for extreme and far right supporters, do you include Exile and animal in that number? Bear in mind that you absolved animal of wanting to expel Muslims from the UK when you both worshipped at the altar of Corbyn.

[ragingpup]

Far right by definition? Is that the Wikipedia definition that you had to torture to make your point?

As for extreme and far right supporters, do you include Exile and animal in that number? Bear in mind that you absolved animal of wanting to expel Muslims from the UK when you both worshipped at the altar of Corbyn.

What in the definition are you disagreeing with?

I would agree that many people that we would not normally consider far/extreme views demonstrate them in a divisive and 'blame rich' times such as these. I haven't absolved anyone of anything, I just go by what I read from people in the time that I've been on here. They have to account for their views. I've already told you that if those views were repeated as they were then, I think you know that I would be the first to challenge them.

You are the one that are inflicting terms such as 'worshipping'. I would call it supporting, certainly in a change of direction away from the overtly centrist direction of the last 20+ years. If you want to call this 'worshipping' that's up to you pal.

[Exiletyke]

What in the definition are you disagreeing with?

I would agree that many people that we would not normally consider far/extreme views demonstrate them in a divisive and 'blame rich' times such as these. I haven't absolved anyone of anything, I just go by what I read from people in the time that I've been on here. They have to account for their views. I've already told you that if those views were repeated as they were then, I think you know that I would be the first to challenge them.

You are the one that are inflicting terms such as 'worshipping'. I would call it supporting, certainly in a change of direction away from the overtly centrist direction of the last 20+ years. If you want to call this 'worshipping' that's up to you pal.

raging he is quite prepared to enter into convoluted points which you should be well aware of by now but for some odd reason is unable to answer a simple question [also you should be aware of by now] of if he placed his own money on his man Raab for PM [as he advised the rest of us to do]
I think he did place his own money on his man Raab but is afraid to say so for fear of being wrong [his overwhelming fear in his world]
Would much prefer to fence sit & then step forward when the muddied waters become a little clearer

[BigLadonOS]

That's pretty much it. The fact that Farage is saying that he would like employers to be able to waive this legal obligation to demonstrate equal opportunities (I do loads of interviews, it's not a lot and you can still choose the best person for the job regardless of race - I've not once had to justify my choices be legal challenge) just for local "UK born" people, to discriminate in their favour, for me is a trait of far right politics going by the definition.

On balance, I think that I am persuaded by the views that he is not a demonstrably far right politician (as Batton clearly is/was) but he does have revealing slips. But centre right BL? Do me a favour! But he does run a party that has demonstrably attracted a large following of both far and extreme right supporters. Are they his useful idiots, or is he theirs?

Stop talking out your aras pup.

[ragingpup]

Stop talking out your aras pup.

You don't think that the BP are attracting the extremist voters? My mate up North is a great barometer of the far right for me. His views are pretty aligned with Yaxley-Lennon and one would have though that he would be behind UKIP. But he's not daft, he knows that to move towards what he ultimately wants (a brutal stop to immigration and a move towards deportation of some ethnic groups, the usual suspects targeted on here), he has thrown his (considerable) weight behind Farage and the BP. But that won't be where he'll stop once/if Brexit is achieved.

His views are very common and lie many, hugely inflated since 2016. Like many, he wasn't that interested in politics until the switch to focus on immigration after the crash. Now he's very motivated. He'd get on very well with a couple of posters on here

[howdydoo]

'But he's not daft, he knows that to move towards what he ultimately wants'

Pot calling the kettle there then.