O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[Lullapie]

So, you don't believe in democracy? Or only if it suits you?

[SmiffyPie]

So, you don't believe in democracy? Or only if it suits you?

No, I believe in Democracy and really do respect the election results (as you say, the people have spoken) I just had a chuckle because that's what so many people have said about Brexit (which I voted for and in hindsight wish I hadn't).

[Mud Pie]

So, you don't believe in democracy? Or only if it suits you?

not sure the US legal system is democratic

[Mud Pie]

Those of us that had to listen to the vitriol about the charges knew that when Trump won, the charges would be dismissed.

I'm so sorry, I just assumed that you were eating up all the Trump/Putin talking points because you were mad, I had no idea you are being forced to listen to them. My sympathies.

[magpie_mania]

You either believe in the US Justice System that there were grounds initially to prosecute Trump, or you don't believe in it, by thinking that the charges were purely political.

If you believe in it, you can't pick and choose what suits your case.

Those of us that had to listen to the vitriol about the charges knew that when Trump won, the charges would be dismissed.

I understand that no legal system is perfect. However, I believe that the whole thing was political and was just another attempt by the establishment to prevent Trump from winning. Unfortunately, it contributed to the devasting defeat that the establishment experienced at the election.

The people have spoken.

Do you think that the charges regarding claiming that the election had been stolen and the assault on the Capitol Building were political? People died yet he just doesn?t care.

One person matters to him ?. Donald J Trump.

[Lullapie]

Do you think that the charges regarding claiming that the election had been stolen and the assault on the Capitol Building were political? People died yet he just doesn?t care.

One person matters to him ?. Donald J Trump.

How many people actually died because of January 6th? You keep making claims, but they're unsubstantiated.

One person died after being shot in the shoulder by police - Ashli Babbit, a Trump supporter.

Four other deaths have been attributed to the event. Three were natural causes and one a drugs overdose.

Can you prove any different, because apart from left-wing propaganda, I can't see any unbiased reports that show different.

Now at least 25 people died during the Portland riots of 2020 after George Floyd died. Are those deaths not important?

[magpie_mania]

How many people actually died because of January 6th? You keep making claims, but they're unsubstantiated.

One person died after being shot in the shoulder by police - Ashli Babbit, a Trump supporter.

Four other deaths have been attributed to the event. Three were natural causes and one a drugs overdose.

Can you prove any different, because apart from left-wing propaganda, I can't see any unbiased reports that show different.

Now at least 25 people died during the Portland riots of 2020 after George Floyd died. Are those deaths not important?

4 other police officers committed suicide soon after, nearly 200 police officers were injured. Many feared for their lives including Pence the VP who Trump wanted to overthrow the Constitution.

But hey, all political.

[SmiffyPie]

As I mentioned before.
"Jack Smith, the special prosecutor who brought the criminal case against Trump, had asked to have the charges dropped, citing a Justice Department policy that bans the prosecution of a sitting president.

Judge Tanya Chutkan dismissed the case "without prejudice", meaning the charges could be refiled after Trump finishes his second term."

[SmiffyPie]

I appreciate we are merely onlookers but the US are (whether we like it or not) the leaders of the free world and all that entails, and Trump has turned it into a cesspool.

[Lullapie]

I appreciate we are merely onlookers but the US are (whether we like it or not) the leaders of the free world and all that entails, and Trump has turned it into a cesspool.

He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke. He isn't making the same mistakes again. He was undermined by the US Civil Service from 2016 and so this time he is getting rid of career Civil Servants, who have never had a job in the real world and bringing in people he can trust.

He is trying to resurrect a meritocracy rather than the technocracy that is currently in place. He's not alone, many countries are moving that way - not the UK though, but many other countries are.

You should rise through the ranks on your ability, not because you have the 'right' name, or went to the 'right' university, or progress through term of service.

This is how the word is upside down. To me, from a working class family, I want the ability to better myself. A technocracy prevents that. A technocracy enforces a form of caste system, that you can't rise through.

As an aside, good news out of the Middle East as a ceasefire is on the horizon. Nothing to do with the fact that the political onus has changed since the US election in the Middle East, I'm sure.

Hamas will have to cede many of the things that they have insisted on and territory lost, but they have been abandoned by many of their supporters in the Middle East since the US election.