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    China - dictatorship. Russia - dictatorship.

    USA is, IMO, not far behind with this megalomaniac in control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Regrettably I don?t think his actions are careless using the usual definition, but they are being done without caring about what ?people? think which I guess is another form of carelessness. What he?s doing is certainly quite deliberate

    IMO if he continues down the line of appeasing Russia, China will occupy Taiwan knowing it?s ?just A transaction?, the ostracising of Russia will disintegrate and the new world order will see UK and EU in the political equivalent of League 1
    All aided and abetted by those who have sought to destroy the concept of a united Europe.
    I think the only aspect of the Brexit argument that ever made any sort of sense was the desire to avoid a USoEU. Seems quite desirable right now.

    Agent Farage…you have been busy.

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    USE may seem desirable to you now as but I don't ever recall you being opposed to it. To me it's not something I'm in favour of, although elements of common policy are more desirable in face of the big 3 flexing their muscles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
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    ......and the new world order will see UK and EU in the political equivalent of League 1
    Ah good, promotion

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    Never wanted a USE and still don't, despite living in a country that would welcome it with open arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    All aided and abetted by those who have sought to destroy the concept of a united Europe.
    I think the only aspect of the Brexit argument that ever made any sort of sense was the desire to avoid a USoEU. Seems quite desirable right now.

    Agent Farage?you have been busy.
    There was no chance with or without Brexit, most EU countries will do their own thing when push comes to shove, which it is doing

    UK Might actually see a genuine Brexit Dividend depending on how much sucking up Starmer does

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    Never wanted a USE and still don't, despite living in a country that would welcome it with open arms.
    Your reluctance is, or at least was, understandable and is, imo, the only intelligent pro Brexit response, however at a time when we may have to respond to possible Russian/Chinese/North Korean ‘hostility’ it seems particularly desirable to me that the European element of NATO is united.

    This was always a strong argument in favour of the EEC/EU and at a moment in history when there is such disagreement within the NATO alliance (USA at odds with both Canada and Europe) it seems ever more important imo.

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    Wow, Trump clearly siding with Putin. Is putting the blame at Zelenskys door, blaming him for millions of deaths and calling him a dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SithHappens View Post
    Wow, Trump clearly siding with Putin. Is putting the blame at Zelenskys door, blaming him for millions of deaths and calling him a dictator.
    Of course no-one has to take any notice of any 'peace' deal brokered by Trump. But it may be approaching the time to see if 'Europe' has a backbone. My guess is not but we'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Of course no-one has to take any notice of any 'peace' deal brokered by Trump. But it may be approaching the time to see if 'Europe' has a backbone. My guess is not but we'll see
    I think there will be lots of hard words from Europe including the UK but that will be it, ultimately if you have Putin and Trump aligned in any peace deal I'm not sure Europe will get in the way, I think maybe a few concessions thrown Europes way as part of any deal just to keep them onside.

    One thing I feel certain about, we were questioning if Trump would live to see the next election, I feel sure hes going to out live Zelensky.

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