O/T Disgrace Cummings

[Stovicmiller]

In the grand scheme of things doesn't matter what happens now, it what is happening in around four years time. If the economy is doing alright ans people are in jobs and can spend money on holidays pubs and the like then what is happening now won't count. People are not bothered what happened a few years ago. You only have to look what happened in Rotherham 1600 to 2000 child abuse victims raped and ***ually abused.

[animallittle3]

In the grand scheme of things doesn't matter what happens now, it what is happening in around four years time. If the economy is doing alright ans people are in jobs and can spend money on holidays pubs and the like then what is happening now won't count. People are not bothered what happened a few years ago. You only have to look what happened in Rotherham 1600 to 2000 child abuse victims raped and ***ually abused.

It's getting through the next four years where the government have problems .

I think it's pretty much accepted we are going to be hit with a recession nobody's seen unless they were around in the 1930's .

The Cummings thing is just a side show by comparison with what lays ahead .

He needs a trade deal with the EU that he can spin to make it look a good deal but given his present political postion he'll do well to pull that off .

I think there's just too much against him to be able to survive in the job much in to next year .

It's just a question of when the Tory Party can comfortably pin all the blame on his shoulders when it really does go tyts up .

They did this with May and when in opposition with IDS in 2003 .

[caytonmiller]

It's getting through the next four years where the government have problems .

I think it's pretty much accepted we are going to be hit with a recession nobody's seen unless they were around in the 1930's .

The Cummings thing is just a side show by comparison with what lays ahead .

He needs a trade deal with the EU that he can spin to make it look a good deal but given his present political postion he'll do well to pull that off .

I think there's just too much against him to be able to survive in the job much in to next year .

It's just a question of when the Tory Party can comfortably pin all the blame on his shoulders when it really does go tyts up .

They did this with May and when in opposition with IDS in 2003 .

Problem with this statement animal is. If Boris does pull off a great deal for the UK and we are In a prominent position in 4 years time you must now vote Tory in the next election. Is this something you are prepared to do?.
Prob the same goes for Roly. I don't have problems party bashing bit same would need applying to doff the cap when /if it's reversed

[rolymiller]

Problem with this statement animal is. If Boris does pull off a great deal for the UK and we are In a prominent position in 4 years time you must now vote Tory in the next election. Is this something you are prepared to do?.
Prob the same goes for Roly. I don't have problems party bashing bit same would need applying to doff the cap when /if it's reversed

Good question Cayton.

I have no faith though that Boris will do this because firstly he is not likely to be in charge much longer.
And it depends what you mean by a good deal. For who? There is no way a tory govt is going to get a deal that will sort out the inequalities in this country. It wont happen. If it does then I will vote Tory because the Tories will have turned into a socialist party. Do you think they will?

[millertop]

Good question Cayton.

I have no faith though that Boris will do this because firstly he is not likely to be in charge much longer.
And it depends what you mean by a good deal. For who? There is no way a tory govt is going to get a deal that will sort out the inequalities in this country. It wont happen. If it does then I will vote Tory because the Tories will have turned into a socialist party. Do you think they will?

Why would I make allowances for Labour atm, they’re not in number 10, they’re not running things.

Tell me Roly would you say the same things if it was labour in power?

[rolymiller]

Why would I make allowances for Labour atm, they’re not in number 10, they’re not running things.

Tell me Roly would you say the same things if it was labour in power?

About what?

There was no one more critical of the Blair regime than me. If they are not helping/ defending the poor I will criticise any party including Labour. How many times have I said on here my most hated PM after Thatcher was Blair.

Even Boris aint as bad as Blair in that he does what it says on the tin. I expected him to be a bumbling buffoon and a lying toad and he has been. I expect better off Labour Mps. It is probably why a lot of people who normally vote Labour like Stovic have turned against em. My only argument with this is ,yes criticise Labour but dont jump out of the frying pan and into the fire by thinking the Tories will achieve the same for you as Labour would. It is not that straight forward. Just because there is a lack of choice at a general election doesnt mean that the other parties are going to be better. You have to judge them on their merit.

My own view is that parliamentary democracy is shyte but until someone comes up wi summat better you have to choose the best of a bad bunch. Interestingly what has happened with the corona virus has thrown up some potential seeds of change for the worlds political systems. I don't think we can ever go back to how we were, certainly not fully, and I think thats a good thing for the planet.

[caytonmiller]

Good question Cayton.

I have no faith though that Boris will do this because firstly he is not likely to be in charge much longer.
And it depends what you mean by a good deal. For who? There is no way a tory govt is going to get a deal that will sort out the inequalities in this country. It wont happen. If it does then I will vote Tory because the Tories will have turned into a socialist party. Do you think they will?

That's the problem Roly. Your not even giving johnson/torys the chance. you have dismissed it before even seeing what we end up with.
It reminds me of when May went for the 2nd vote on Brexit deal. Sky news asked a labour parliament member
"Which way are you voting" she replied NO. "I can't back that deal". The reporter then asked if she had read it which she responded. NO not yet but it will be the same as the last deal

Regards do I think Johnson will get a good deal. I'm not sure. I would hope he will. What I can't do is criticise him without seeing what he has to offer.
It's the same looking at covid. There is a few mistakes made but a lot of positive things they have also done. And hopefully going forwards the NHS will get the reform it desperately needs due to this tragedy.

[ragingpup]

Quite amused that Cummings and some on here are saying that the public anger on this is down to the media stirring it up.

I'm sure we established on here only two days ago that this was an arrogant and patronising stance to take and that the good public are more than capable of thinking for themselves?

Which was is it guys?!

[ragingpup]

Problem with this statement animal is. If Boris does pull off a great deal for the UK and we are In a prominent position in 4 years time you must now vote Tory in the next election. Is this something you are prepared to do?.
Prob the same goes for Roly. I don't have problems party bashing bit same would need applying to doff the cap when /if it's reversed

Good question Cayton. The conservatives have made huge promises during both Brexit and their election campaign. Whilst I remain Brexit agnostic and am ok with however that turns out as long as the environment, H&SC and the economy/workers benefit as a result, if they see through with their promises to build infrastructure and the economies in shat on Northern towns from which the local people benefit, as well as invest in national H&SC infrastructure, I would have no problem with voting Conservative. My wife may divorce me but it would be worth it to see that pig fly! But they did promise all of this, so I would be delighted if it happened, and happy to say I was wrong to be so skeptical.

[flourbasher]

I thought Shaun Cummings did ok a couple of years ago and he was never going to take the RB slot off Josh Emmanuel.

So calling him a disgrace is a bit harsh