Careless Tories!

[Trickytreesreds]

As someone 15 days short of being 69, I'm against Capital Punishment. Simply because too many people have been executed and than, at a later date, exonerated. You can't bring them back to life.....

Personally, I think it should be on the table.

Scenario, - Lee Rigby killers. Never a doubt who did it. 100% nailed on.
The judge should have the option- probably with a committee to execute.
Can never be released, so why pay for them?

[ramAnag]

I mentioned this one a few weeks back Sith, but you have to realise its perfectly acceptable for Labour MP's - or former MP's who were MP's at the time of the transgression - to act in this way. Criticism is only allowed if you have a blue rosette

Yeah right...that’ll be why he was suspended immediately.
C’mon GP...you’re better than that. He was hardly ever going to be a Labour Party/Government high flyer anyway was he?
Look at the list of wrongdoers in high office from within the current Government. If all you can compare him with is this idiot then, as I said at the time, you really don’t have an argument do you?

[swaledale]

I mentioned this one a few weeks back Sith, but you have to realise its perfectly acceptable for Labour MP's - or former MP's who were MP's at the time of the transgression - to act in this way. Criticism is only allowed if you have a blue rosette

You do post some *******s, there are Labour MP's and Lib Dem MP's who ahve committed various transgressions - Hume and his driving pts fraud, The same with the Labour MP, then there is the one currently appealing against her stalking/assault case, Keith Vaz, in all cases Whip withdrawn rather faster than has been the case with some Tories.

Its not acceptable for any MP to act this way and every party should act decisively when there is a breach of standards or a criminal offence has been committed. I am sure I read somewhere that there are 58 MP's currently in parliament under investigation for ***ual misconduct!!

Having said that this current government does seem to have gone in for dubious and possibly corrupt practices in greater numbers than is usual, Johnson is famous for not following the rules and has set the bar low re conduct etc.

[ramAnag]

I understand RA throwing it around at the Tories, as he says. They are in power.
But you can go through the internet and find cheats/crooks/ ***ual deviants/ bullies etc across all parties.
It's amazing how they go into that job full of good intent, yet get corrupted over night.
Power corrupts etc


So shout about the Tories, its true. But if you think not acknowledging the others is ok, then watch this space when it changes over
In 2021 Starmer said he was going to look into Labours staggering expenses.

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During an interview on Steph's Packed Lunch, the Labour Party leader was quizzed on his party's reportedly "staggering" expenses. Sir Keir stated that he would "look into" the report but failed to confirm or deny whether the reported figures were correct.




Steph McGovern said: "What is this in the paper yesterday about expenses and your top team’s expenses?

"There were some staggering figures about that and how much was being spent by some of your team."

The Labour Party leader replied: "I saw that and we are going to have a look at that.

"I have not had the chance to look at it yet but I did see it and so I will be looking at it."


Never heard owt again?

It's time folks acknowledged what a cesspitt Westminster has become.

No idea what ‘Steph’s packed lunch’ is...but I’m glad you can see why I’m ‘throwing it around at the Tories’, still...just in case there’s any doubt...here’s a list since Johnson took over.
Cummings...broke lockdown rules and lied.
Elphicke...***ual assault.
Roberts...unwanted ***ual advances.
Johnson...reprimanded over £112,000 flat refurbishment.
Hancock...broke his own lockdown rules.
Johnson...reprimanded over free holiday in Mustique.
Paterson...’egregious’ breach of lobbying rules.
Griffiths...rape and coercive control of his wife.
Warburton...***ual harassment and cocaine use.
Khan...***ual assault of a 15 year old boy.
Parish...watching po rn in the HoC.
Pincher...drunkenly groping two men.
Johnson...breaking his own lockdown rules and lying about Pincher.
Williamson...had to resign (again) after telling an official to ‘slit your throat’.
Raab...over twenty outstanding allegations of bullying.
Zahawi...’carelessness’ over his tax returns.

It’s quite a list and probably not exhaustive. You make your own mind up as to whether they might be worth a mention.

[swaledale]

There isn't a viable 3rd way.... yet. There might never be one. Here's something to ponder... Labour ends up as the largest party but without an overall majority. To create a majority they'd have to form a coalition but the only 2 parties that could give them a majority are the Blue Tories or the Reform (or whatever they're called) Party. Right wing or even more so... Obviously they won't do that. Then it's over to the 2 right wing parties who do have a majority between them. Now, I wouldn't wish that on anybody...

Unfortunately that leaves revolution as the more attractive answer.

That is basically the scenario in 2010, except it was the Tories in that position, the Lib Dems could ahve formed a minority government with Labour, with support from SNP/Green. Except for some unfathomable reason they figured they could cut a better deal with the Tories and got completely ****ed over by them!!

There will be a resurgence of the Lib Dem vote, if only because Tories who protest against voting Tory will vote for them instead and in some places voting tactically Lib Dem is the best chance of defeating the Tories. I really don't see The Reform party getting anybody elected, but they will reduce the Tory vote where they field candidates and that could work in Labours favour.

[swaledale]

Nail on the head!
Personally I don’t ‘get’ the ‘wet lettuce’ reference to Starmer...either way he’s likely to have a longer shelf life than a lettuce, which is more than the last PM could manage!

The truth is though, in three years, Starmer - admittedly aided and abetted by a never ending list of Tory dishonesty and incompetence - has, from a standing start, made Labour electable.
The last people to do that were John Smith (possibly the best PM this country never had) and Tony Blair.
He didn’t do too badly until a combination of the Banking Crisis and him dishonestly cosying up to a Republican US President undid it all.

Its interesting the Iraq War aspect, because I've recently been reading some factual account s of that and the Iraqi population were in favour of deposing Sadaam, but one of the opposition leaders had provided the US intelligence with duff gen on the WMD issue which got accepted as truth.

In geopolitics, its complicated, Blair had to make a decision and frankly Bush sucked him in, but there's a long history of that happening to UK PM's.

[Trickytreesreds]

No idea what ‘Steph’s packed lunch’ is...but I’m glad you can see why I’m ‘throwing it around at the Tories’, still...just in case there’s any doubt...here’s a list since Johnson took over.
Cummings...broke lockdown rules and lied.
Elphicke...***ual assault.
Roberts...unwanted ***ual advances.
Johnson...reprimanded over £112,000 flat refurbishment.
Hancock...broke his own lockdown rules.
Johnson...reprimanded over free holiday in Mustique.
Paterson...’egregious’ breach of lobbying rules.
Griffiths...rape and coercive control of his wife.
Warburton...***ual harassment and cocaine use.
Khan...***ual assault of a 15 year old boy.
Parish...watching po rn in the HoC.
Pincher...drunkenly groping two men.
Johnson...breaking his own lockdown rules and lying about Pincher.
Williamson...had to resign (again) after telling an official to ‘slit your throat’.
Raab...over twenty outstanding allegations of bullying.
Zahawi...’carelessness’ over his tax.

It’s quite a list and probably not exhaustive. You make your own mind up as to whether they might be worth a mention.

Look, I do not disagree with any of that. But as has been said.
Others in all parties never get the same amount of fury.
They should, they all do the same job.
Just because they aint blue, isn;t a get out of jail card.

[SithHappens]

Its interesting the Iraq War aspect, because I've recently been reading some factual account s of that and the Iraqi population were in favour of deposing Sadaam, but one of the opposition leaders had provided the US intelligence with duff gen on the WMD issue which got accepted as truth.

In geopolitics, its complicated, Blair had to make a decision and frankly Bush sucked him in, but there's a long history of that happening to UK PM's.

I actually read that as Bush sucked him off..now that would make headlines.

[SithHappens]

Look, I do not disagree with any of that. But as has been said.
Others in all parties never get the same amount of fury.
They should, they all do the same job.
Just because they aint blue, isn;t a get out of jail card.

they will when they are in government though, its natural for the governing party to get more headlines and in fairness while labour have had their share the Tories don't help themselves. At least Starmer manages to avoid the worst of it, excluding the mails obsession with him over a beer and a curry.

[ramAnag]

Look, I do not disagree with any of that. But as has been said.
Others in all parties never get the same amount of fury.
They should, they all do the same job.
Just because they aint blue, isn;t a get out of jail card.

You don’t ‘disagree with any of that’ because you can’t. It is irrefutable.

Others in all Parties will ‘get the same amount of fury’, if and when it happens, BUT...what is happening NOW is what matters and, as I hope even you won’t attempt to deny, this is one area where the Tories have a very significant lead.

Sith...I can recall lots of political scandals but never one after the other, day in day out like this lot...and Starmer was found to be innocent because they had followed the rules. Simple as that.