0/T Was Enoch right?

[gm_gm]

Where is Kerr?

The sun has set, there may not be a full moon but I thought he would have jumped at this one

[BigRotherhamFanMe]

Hi John. I thought you might be interested in the link below. It's from your favourite paper, the Guardian.

To summarise, it explores the muslim attitude to homo***uality in the Uk and elsewhere. Out of 500 uk muslims interviewed, not a single one felt homo***uality was acceptable. NOT ONE. Unbelievable that this is even in the Guardian!

In view of this,

1. Is this another imaginary example of a backward mindset brought about, largely, by immigration.

and

2. Does this give an indication as for why London, with all its diversity, seems to be more homophobic than the rest of the Uk? - view external link

[John2]

Depending on their background, some fit in better than others. For instance, who is more likely to hold a mindset at odds with the values associated with the West? Someone from (say) Australia or a recent immigrant from rural Pakistan? It's a no-brainer. Do you actually think people drop their religious and cultural baggage when they come here?

Of course different people fit in differently.

Instances of female genital mutilation, honour killings, rape gangs prowling the streets, homophobia(?), religious zealotry and so on (whilst relatively small in number) are a tangible illustration of a third world mindset.

They certainly are, but incidents perpetrated by a minority doesn't mean all immigration is bad or that we should throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to multiculturalism.


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[BigRotherhamFanMe]

Well, probably fewer than you percieve... but if people were to keep their bigoted or 'third world' attitudes private - then surely its not a problem - unless you're advocating some sort of thought police?

You're right about the Muslim trait towards opposing same *** relationships. They're united with the Church of England and Catholic lobbies amongst others in their opposition of gay marriage as 'morally wrong'.

There is good and bad from multiculturalism, of that I'm sure we're agreed.

Its objectively true that there are places in the UK with far more multiculturalism than Rotherham (I live in a city of 80.6% white British vs Rotherham's 92.6%) - where attitudes of the white British locals towards multiculturalism are far more in favour.

Well first of all, congratulations on reconciling your pro-multicultural views with a possible rise in bigotry. Simply that it doesn't matter unless I advocate thought police. Had we been talkin

[John2]

Allow me to clarify. I condemn all bigotry from any community. It exists, its wrong and we need to educate. FGM and all the other things you refer to do occur, are wrong and steps need to be taken to end them.

However, my point is, that does not mean all of multiculturalism or immigration is bad and that I like many others think on the whole we have gained from it.

You disagree, that's fine, I just think you'd be more inclined to agree if you didn't live somewhere stuck in an economic black hole, where every community is falling behind.

[CanadaMiller]

Allow me to clarify. I condemn all bigotry from any community. It exists, its wrong and we need to educate. FGM and all the other things you refer to do occur, are wrong and steps need to be taken to end them.

However, my point is, that does not mean all of multiculturalism or immigration is bad and that I like many others think on the whole we have gained from it.

You disagree, that's fine, I just think you'd be more inclined to agree if you didn't live somewhere stuck in an economic black hole, where every community is falling behind.

A recent IPSOS poll suggests you are wrong. Your thinking on this issue is 20 years out of date.

Since the mid-90s to 2011, the percentage of partly-skilled people who thought immigration should be reduced has increased from 69 % to 77%.

Among the 'professionals' the same percentage increased from 46% to 66%.

Looking at the percentages of people whose attitudes have changed, it is greatest amon

[great_fire]

Where is Kerr?

The sun has set, there may not be a full moon but I thought he would have jumped at this one

Waiting for time to prove him wrong again?

[John2]

Views on increasing or decreasing future immigration is not the same as being glad of past immigration and multiculturalism.

It's perfectly non-contradictory to be pleased of our multicultural society but to have concerns about sustainable levels of immigration.

Asylum seekers and immigrants get banded together far too easily and are not the same thing.

As of 2013 there were a total of 450 asylum seekers in Rotherham, I'd wager they have little to do with the anti immigration sentiment. I'd suggest because Rotherham is an economic black hole, there is less demand to live there, more available housing than other areas of the country and it made economic sense to use the area as an asylum dispersal area. Chicken and egg situation.

Or are you suggesting Rotherham was fine and dandy economically before all the asylum seekers started coming here in 1999 (all 450 of them)?

[CanadaMiller]

It's perfectly non-contradictory to be pleased of our multicultural society but to have concerns about sustainable levels of immigration.

No it's not. It's called doublethink and is generally regarded as a bad thing. Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning, not a blueprint.

As of 2013 there were a total of 450 asylum seekers in Rotherham

That's up from 334 in 2012. Given the same rate of increase (34%pa) I'd say we're up to about 800 by now.

I'd suggest because Rotherham is an economic black hole, there is less demand to live there, more available housing than other areas of the country and it made economic sense to use the area as an asylum dispersal area. Chicken and egg situation.

Yes, what better place to place asylum seekers than an already economically depressed area. It gives them a real chance of making a success of their ne

[John2]

Doublethink? What nonsense.

"I'd say we're up to about 800 by now" - great, speculate figures out of fresh air.

You're probably being disingenuous as you likely recall the number of asylum seekers in Rotherham being a headline after G4S were disproportionately putting them here and the government asked them to reduce the number - so in all likelihood it has fallen.

Its an asylum seeker disbursement zone - that means after they've been through their claim they're disbursed. Refugees are more evenly distributed throughout the country.