O/T Brexit film - a (long but thoughtful) response...

[harpo88]

I don't doubt your sincerity, honesty and good nature gm but on both sides there are pragmatic, idealistic and self-interested considerations.

[jolly_roger]

Complete nonsense? i don't think so, given the track record of the current gov't who are trying every angle to get around EU employment law currently, and who want to get rid of the EU working time directive, and would do if we vote leave...

There's no need to get around employment law it's being undermined anyway as employers take on cheap foreign labour using the excuse that "home grown Brits" won't do it. Take on hoards of Romanians

[millmoormagic]

Cheap foreign labour on the same money as anyone else who wants it, and cheap labour doesn't undermine employment law, employers do as you've just alluded to...

[walter10]

Cheers gm, interesting that and I take the point, but as Minford admits himself, it's not certain that the completely free market he's saying should happen will happen. As I said whether we stay or leave I


Having said that...will be glad on June 24th when this is over, England are heading towards the Euros title and we can look forward to Stubbs' playoff push - UTM!

Harpo 91% of GDP falls outside the EU this is expanding year on year, the countries outside the EU would trade ,with us in more favorable circumstances if we were not in it.

I take your point about no guarantees, but that works both ways, EU article 50 allows us to negotiate a withdrawal there are no set in stone barriers...the remain campaign is based on self interest and protectionism, I firmly believe we would be FAR better off outside the EU....I have investment interests inside the EU which are not inconsiderable but w

[jolly_roger]

Cheap foreign labour on the same money as anyone else who wants it, and cheap labour doesn't undermine employment law, employers do as you've just alluded to...

Ok reduce the number of foreigners and employers would have to improve wages to attract labour.

That would be a bad thing?

[Jimmy Lallacs]

Good discussion on this thread.
I think the the consensus would agree around a reformed EU reverting to its original stated principles of free market.
( Not the underhand federalist ideas slyly understood by Jean Monnet and Edward Heath).
If we vote with the Remainiacs, we are on a long irreversible path towards political union, (if in doubt google the five presidents report).
If we vote for independence, I think that within the two years we will renegotiate our position and we will have the support of like minded democrats in France, Germany and the Czech Repubolic also wanting to free themselves from the anti-democratic straitjacket which the EU commissioners have gradualy imposed on free nations.
I really do believe that for the third time in 100 years the UK can save the whole of Europe from a corporatocracy that no one has voted in and in no way can vote out.

[Timbertop]

We are much better than being reduced to Germany's lapdogs. Vote leave.

[millmoormagic]

Cheap foreign labour on the same money as anyone else who wants it, and cheap labour doesn't undermine employment law, employers do as you've just alluded to...

Ok reduce the number of foreigners and employers would have to improve wages to attract labour.

That would be a bad thing?

[/quote]

Ultimately yes, because these same employers, who have relied on cheap labour, would not be able to compete and go to the wall, you see, that's the way in a 'free market' isn't it. Then it would be the immigrants fault, in your eyes, for the company going down, wouldn't it??

[jolly_roger]

EU free trade, countries not wanting to trade with us?

Buy a new home shirt.............they are made in Turkey


There's a lesson there somewhere for the easily scared.

[great_fire]

EU army is next on the agenda.