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You've missed the point i think Brin, i take it that you won't be renewing your season ticket for next season then? you'll be the floating fan when this season's ticket expires.....Originally Posted by Brin
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Well forward!...LOL....They are both in injury time.
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MMM, Entertainment one reason for some posting on here, something we haven`t had most of the season but there`s always next season.
Yak, good shout although I might add if you`re a season ticket holder or pay on the day we do still need value for money & entertainment, still there`s always next season.
Gwther, stop sitting on the fence lol, say it as it is. lol.
U.T.M. C64F.
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we don't need Ronnie upstairs we just need someone who can manage.
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To be fair..Our fans are not the brightest so there probably isn't much else for them to do.
I suppose they could go to The Theatre..Chess club...Book club...Oxford debating society...Poetry recitation.
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Of course TS has let us down. He appointed a manager from Scotland with no experience of the English Championship and then sacked him after 13 games.
Kenny Jackett walked and nobody knows the real reason.
Then he appointed the Fitness Coach with 28 games to go and that guaranteed relegation.
Apart from that he's been a great leader this season.
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Do you know who else applied for the job when Stubbs did? I don't, which makes it harder to criticise the decision to appoint him. What I do know is that we were appointing someone in something of a hurry following the delay in Warnock's decision and were also recruiting for a club that had just escaped relegation by the skin of its teeth. I suspect the number of quality candidates was probably quite low, but, like you unless you're going to tell me otherwise, I don't actually know whether that was the case.
Kenny Jackett walked and, of course, we don't know why for certain, but, just as others speculate about conversations at the club, I'll have a go with this:
KJ: I'm jacking it in Tony;
TS: Why?
KJ: Because you gave me an objective of keeping the club in the Championship, but that's impossible;
TS: Why?
KJ: Because the players signed in the summer aren't good enough and whilst I can train with them, scout the opposition and set them up for games, they still won't be good enough to keep this club up;
TS: But what about the January transfer window? I can make funds available, just as I did to Stubbs;
KJ: Tony, you need to understand the scale of the problem; this squad doesn't need tinkering with, it needs a rebuild. To get the number and calibre of the players required and bring them into a club that looks like it is to be relegated would cost many millions of pounds. Even then, the task of getting what would essentially be a new team and getting them to perform together with so little time left would mean that there would be limited prospects of success.
TS: What can I do then, Jacketts? You are a bloke who knows football.
KJ: There is nothing that you can do, this season. I doubt you’ll get an experienced manage in for what looks like certain relegation. You need to try to add some decent prospects in January and hang on to the decent players that you have. It’s then a rebuild in the summer.
Now of course that is pure speculation (and doesn’t mention peanuts once and so is patently unrealistic), but the thing is that you kind of agree with KJ. You said:
I agree with you and the imaginary KJ - the squad is simply not good enough and so I struggle to understand how you can also believe that appointing Warne guaranteed relegation. Would appointing a more qualified manager have made the players jump in quality? Did that happened under Jackett? How much do you think an adequate rebuild would have cost in January and what do you think the impact would have been upon the clubs books, which, despite being rather healthy for a Championship outfit, caused such distress on here the other day?
The biggest problem with Stubbs is that he was not the kind of manager that Rotherham needs for the Championship. We can’t compete financially and so need a manger who can create a siege mentality. Ronnie Moore managed it the last time we were in the Championship. He signed blood and guts grafters who loved getting into their opponent's face on and off the pitch and used every trick in the book, such as having the width of the Millmoor pitch reduced to be as narrow as it could within the regulations. Evans could do it to a point. It was clear that Stubbs couldn’t the moment that he started to alienate the supporters.
Last edited by KerrAvon; 12-03-2017 at 08:16 PM. Reason: Incremental improvement
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If Kenny Jackett really did have a conversation like that with TS it makes you wonder if he's ever heard of due diligence.
He is a highly experienced football manager so I find it hard to believe that he signed a three year contract without first doing some detailed research on the state of the club.
Then again, a couple of previous managers had alluded to "broken promises" so maybe KJ was the next one to find himself in that situation, who knows?
I just find it really difficult to believe that he walked away after 5 games because results weren't good enough but that is exactly what TS told us was the case.
When Jackett left TS also said he wanted a manager with character and a strong personality because his two most successful appointments, Steve Evans and Neil Warnock, had those traits in abundance.
In the event he appointed the Fitness Coach even though there were 28 games remaining and the transfer window was due to open in about a month's time.
Sorry but I'll never understand that one.
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How much due diligence is possible in that position? It's one thing to go through a set of accounts - where the truth is in black and white - and another to try to work out how good a football team is with little opportunity to watch and train with the players.
I'm decorating my hallway at the moment and did due diligence, working out how long it would take. I then stripped the paper and saw that the state of the walls was going to make it a much bigger job.
Which couple of previous managers have mentioned broken promises? Redfearn did it, but he is singular. Warnock, on the other hand, has been complimentary about the club and is willing to send talent like Ajayi to us when I’m sure other clubs would have been keen to take him on.
Given that Warnock and Evans were unavailable, who do you think would be a suitable manager with the blood and guts trait that I think we both agree is required? There aren't that many around. I understand your viewpoint, but agree with the imaginary KJ that the season was already lost by the time he took over. It was lost last summer. With that being the case, I don't think it a bad move to let Warne have a go. He clearly has a passion for the club, which can only be a positive trait given the circumstances.
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By the way KerrAvon, appointing a more qualified manager certainly made the players jump in quality last season.
Don't underestimate organisation and motivational skills.
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