DFCSS Fans Rep Update

[Deeranged]

Why should an organisation with less than 500 members have a seat on the DFC board?

Because that was what was agreed at the time FPS took over and they're legally obliged to allow it. Might only be 500 or so but it's 500 or so Dundee fans.

How many Dundee fans does John Nelms represent? Two? Three? None?

[islaydarkblue]

Are you sure that publishing Board minutes is likely to help matters?
I don't think it would help, but I may be wrong. I think only the meetings where members are present, like the AGM, need be put in the public domain.

It lets new members read what previous Dee4life board of directors have been trying to do to obtain meaningful meetings with John Nelms who wants his hands on the A shares which can block a move to permanently ground sharing at Tannadice Park.

[islaydarkblue]

Why should an organisation with less than 500 members have a seat on the DFC board?

Why should the DSA have meetings and a preferential position in Dundee Football Club despite only donating ?8,000 per annum to the Club.
In the year ending 31st May 2024 Dee4life donated ?4,131.60 to Dundee Football Club and Nelms still refuses to have a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.

[islaydarkblue]

That alone makes the person completely unsuitable to have any involvement in DFCSS.

I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

[Deeranged]

I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

[Deeranged]

I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

But DSA claim X number members because they claim the members of their affiliated clubs as members of DSA despite the vast majority of those individuals having next to no interest in the DSA and, let's be honest, the vast majority of them having no interest in their clubs except when it's time for the ticket con.

John Nelms buys into all of the DSA lies unfortunately.

[BCram]

We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

[BP33]

Because that was what was agreed at the time FPS took over and they're legally obliged to allow it. Might only be 500 or so but it's 500 or so Dundee fans.

How many Dundee fans does John Nelms represent? Two? Three? None?

If that was agreed, why have Dee4life not taken it further. Was it a legal agreement?

[Deeranged]

This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

Just because someone has had a union sponsored course on negotiating it doesn't make them a good negotiator. Just like the ones that get union sponsored HSW course and who then try to tell the company NEBOSH qualified HSE expert that they know more than them.

In case it isn't clear I'll clarify that I hate unions and don't understand anyone giving them any time of day. If Dee4L announced that they'd brought someone from a union negotiating background in to speak to JN on their behalf I'd immediately cancel my membership.

[Deeranged]

If that was agreed, why have Dee4life not taken it further. Was it a legal agreement?

The requirement for two representatives of Dee4Life to sit on the board is in the club's Articles Of Association which is a binding document under company law. Islay will know more abut that.

Dee4L is currently a very weak organisation which doesn't want to rock the boat further than it already is rocking. Therefore they do not challenge JN on anything, they seem to believe they'll get more response from him by Kow Towing and talking; despite the fact that he won't talk to them. JN has rejected a proposal of a primary representative stating that it was an act of aggression (or something) and they just backed down.

I actually agree with them not taking any direct legal action since it would just create bad feeling with the members and the wider support. It would also strengthen the position of the DSA who can do no wrong in JN's eyes.