How Far We Have Fallen

[FTD1983]

The more recent problems with ST (since he sold off our all our best players) has not been in backing the manager, it is his terrible managerial appointments.

He has gone with the cheap options the last twice, given a decent enough budget to survive (Mixu) then a more than decent enough budget to get promoted (McKinnon). You could probably treble the budget given to McKinnon and we would still be horrific, he is without a doubt the worst manager I have seen in charge of us and to a point where he has completely driven me from going to the games as I will not watch what he puts and sets up on the park.

If ST had went for a good enough manager in the first place the likely hood is those decent managers could have done more with a smaller budget.

To get up we need a good manager and a decent budget, not an absolutely sh1te manager and a good budget like we currently haave

McKinnon wasn't "the cheap option"

He'll have come with a compensation fee, and, at the time, a well regarded championship level manager who had experience of this league and had experienced (relative) success at this level.

There's a ****load you can rip ST about but you can't really suggest Ray was a "cheap" option for me. 100% the wrong option with hindsight but most were happy with the appointment at the time...

[the_arab]

McKinnon wasn't "the cheap option"

He'll have come with a compensation fee, and, at the time, a well regarded championship level manager who had experience of this league and had experienced (relative) success at this level.

There's a ****load you can rip ST about but you can't really suggest Ray was a "cheap" option for me. 100% the wrong option with hindsight but most were happy with the appointment at the time...

We paid 30k in compensation for him, which is not much, and his wages will be half of what a decent manager would be, maybe not the cheapest option but it was still cheap in comparison to a known better option

[GingerPetric]

Finances aside, most fans were either happy with Ray's appointment or at least willing to give him some time based on his reasonably decent ascent from the juniors through the lower leagues.

However his tenure has by and large produced utterly depressing and abysmal performances, with no sign of imminent improvement.

The even more depressing belief is that we still haven't hit rock bottom.

If/when Ray gets sacked then there will at least be some hope....hope that ST randomly and flukily makes the right appointment.

Or, it gets even worse....

[SmedDUm]

Finances aside, most fans were either happy with Ray's appointment or at least willing to give him some time based on his reasonably decent ascent from the juniors through the lower leagues.

However his tenure has by and large produced utterly depressing and abysmal performances, with no sign of imminent improvement.

The even more depressing belief is that we still haven't hit rock bottom.

If/when Ray gets sacked then there will at least be some hope....hope that ST randomly and flukily makes the right appointment.

Or, it gets even worse....

There's negativity & there's negativity and then there's your post GP.
'We still haven't hit rock bottom'.
Is that a prediction or what? You make it sound like a certainty.
Can you not even give us the benefit of doubt, could we not have hit rock bottom last Saturday?
But you believe there's worse to come, any idea when that will be?

[stokearab]

There's negativity & there's negativity and then there's your post GP.
'We still haven't hit rock bottom'.
Is that a prediction or what? You make it sound like a certainty.
Can you not even give us the benefit of doubt, could we not have hit rock bottom last Saturday?
But you believe there's worse to come, any idea when that will be?

Has it not even crossed your mind that we might NOT GET PROMOTED this season?????

Would that qualify in your world as being worse?

[Jonboy83]

Has it not even crossed your mind that we might NOT GET PROMOTED this season?????

Would that qualify in your world as being worse?

The guy is a f@kn balloon. Doesn't matter to him what happens on the pitch , he'll still clap along and pretend everything is ok and all the boo boys / haters / normal fans that can see what is happening to our club are wrong .
Can't remember if it was on here or Teks forum where he said 4 or 5 of the team that sneaked a win against the Irish mob would get in the first team !!!
Absolute mental case.

[SmedDUm]

The guy is a f@kn balloon. Doesn't matter to him what happens on the pitch , he'll still clap along and pretend everything is ok and all the boo boys / haters / normal fans that can see what is happening to our club are wrong .
Can't remember if it was on here or Teks forum where he said 4 or 5 of the team that sneaked a win against the Irish mob would get in the first team !!!
Absolute mental case.

Gee thanks mate!
So in your book a boo boy or a hater is a normal fan?
Would hope not but maybe it is increasingly so.
Bitter bast@rds. Sad.

[GingerPetric]

There's negativity & there's negativity and then there's your post GP.
'We still haven't hit rock bottom'.
Is that a prediction or what? You make it sound like a certainty.
Can you not even give us the benefit of doubt, could we not have hit rock bottom last Saturday?
But you believe there's worse to come, any idea when that will be?

You don't half haver some pish sometimes Smeddurs! You and Shedka are the biggest optimists in the United support right now, no doubts about that.

My original line used the phrase "belief" as in there is a general belief that things will get worse before they get better, that being the case then we won't have reached rock bottom.

I feel the likely scenario is that Ray will limp along for the next few weeks or months then will be sacked IF we keep producing the same turgid schite and results that we have been treated to for the entirety of his tenure.

It's certainly not a certainty, and as I've stated many times before I hope he can and does turn things around, but on the current evidence it's not looking likely, is it?

I now fear the worst for every game, in fact I dread going up to a game now, very little enjoyment to be had.

[SmedDUm]

You don't half haver some pish sometimes Smeddurs! You and Shedka are the biggest optimists in the United support right now, no doubts about that.

My original line used the phrase "belief" as in there is a general belief that things will get worse before they get better, that being the case then we won't have reached rock bottom.

I feel the likely scenario is that Ray will limp along for the next few weeks or months then will be sacked IF we keep producing the same turgid schite and results that we have been treated to for the entirety of his tenure.

It's certainly not a certainty, and as I've stated many times before I hope he can and does turn things around, but on the current evidence it's not looking likely, is it?

I now fear the worst for every game, in fact I dread going up to a game now, very little enjoyment to be had.

'There is a general belief that things will get worse before they get better'? Have to take issue with you over that GP.
That is certainly NOT a general belief, it is a Mad belief, this is a bitter forum these days.
I happen to believe our home form will continue & our away form will improve.
Doesn't make me a bad person, just a Dundee United supporter.

[ahlltanyirhide]

'There is a general belief that things will get worse before they get better'? Have to take issue with you over that GP.
That is certainly NOT a general belief, it is a Mad belief, this is a bitter forum these days.
I happen to believe our home form will continue & our away form will improve.
Doesn't make me a bad person, just a Dundee United supporter.

Aye, but not a 'normal' Dundee United supporter