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[jdfc]

I'm more concerned with getting a Goalscorer if truth be told

What would be the point in getting a goal scorer if we don’t get the ball to him, down the wings was shocking yesterday, no over lapping runs, no decent balls into the middle, to much tippy tippy shyte, no end product, system has to change or we’re going down

[billymorgan]

What would be the point in getting a goal scorer if we don’t get the ball to him, down the wings was shocking yesterday, no over lapping runs, no decent balls into the middle, to much tippy tippy shyte, no end product, system has to change or we’re going down

Have you been watching Dundee this season & last ? The amount of times our so called strikers that have been given chances and phucked them up is incredible ?
Or are you just being obtuse again

[Returnofrros]

That’s not true, only on current set of circumstances. The problem is nobody is fighting or questioning these decisions. The club isn’t battling back against it, in fact I feel the club hides behind external bodies in an attempt to keep everyone quiet.
The excuses about derry.....turnstiles are old and there are no parts. True - solution is today there are cheaper and better turnstiles than replacing relics. The stairs - yes they need some work but the stadium is sponsored by a ****ing construction company! Jesus it can’t be hard to find a low cost solution if there is a will surely?
The non seated area - some standing barriers and it could be a standing area. This isn’t a 20,000 capacity stand with crush issues. For people who’d like to stand there the weather doesn’t matter, it was always popular and Dundee’s weather isn’t worse now than when we all grew up.
The stadium manager doesn’t relate to young lads getting behind their team, he doesn’t call it the Derry and he certainly won’t do anything to make the above possible. The soul of our club is dying, the atmosphere is ****. One of the reasons is we don’t deep down actually like sanitised football. We are a rough city with guys who like a beer, a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates. There are nearly 10,000 other seats at Dens if the Derry isn’t for you, why can’t it be possible to make a space for traditional football fans?
Only club I know who seems hell bent on being unsupported!!

This is basically how I feel.

[Returnofrros]

I've seen the paperwork and I've seen the videos that the police showed the licensing authorities when they were demanding that it was to be shut down - scary videos by the way - and I can assure you it's true. Significant crush and trampling issues were highlighted and the potential for serious injury or even worse was there. The man you're whinging about, along with John Nelms, bent over backwards to find, propose and implement a solution that the police and licensing committee would accept. It cost a lot of money to do the work required at that time and to be honest I'd rather that money had been spent re-opening the Derry stairs but what would have been the point if the place was being closed down?

The Stadium Manager relates to safety, he doesn't have to relate to young lads he just has to keep them safe whilst in the stadium.

I agree the soul of the club is dying, but that's down to the ****e being served up on the park as much as any area being singled out and sanitised.

A lot of work would need to be done to re-open the uncovered area. What would happen if it absolutely pi55ed it down in a game? If I remember correctly the people who liked to stand there back in the day (I loved it in the summer) used to go under cover when it rained. That wouldn't be possible now with match and season tickets having allocated seats.

'We are a rough city with guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates'. Disagree mostly with that, we're a city trying to pull itself into this century and whilst I agree you're absolutely right that there are some that fit neatly into your stereotype there are many, many more that don't. The club needs to cater for all types of people and for me it would be wrong to have a 'guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates' only area. Would you also have an area set aside specifically for tee totallers who like a shout at the football and a laugh with their mates? Where does it end?

Have you ever been in a crush situation Deeranged?

I have but i haven't seen it happening in the Derry.

The most respected and Nelms may have bent over backwards to please the police and council but let the support down.

They shud be very much in touch with our younger fans, they arnae and never will be.

Every other club encourages a noisey younger support, not us we stick a polis block next to them then harass them into and out the stadium till they just think **** this and don't come back.

The most respected is good for virtue signalling but clean, tidy, safe stadium with a passionate atmosphere?.....move along **** all to see here.

[Deeranged]

Have you ever been in a crush situation Deeranged?

I have but i haven't seen it happening in the Derry.

The most respected and Nelms may have bent over backwards to please the police and council but let the support down.

They shud be very much in touch with our younger fans, they arnae and never will be.

Every other club encourages a noisey younger support, not us we stick a polis block next to them then harass them into and out the stadium till they just think **** this and don't come back.

The most respected is good for virtue signalling but clean, tidy, safe stadium with a passionate atmosphere?.....move along **** all to see here.

Same as you, I've been in crushes but never in The Derry. The old Provie exit was great for it, as a bairn you just lifted your legs and got carried along by the crowd. Safe? Nope. We live in a H&S age that encourages people to sue over the slightest breach. Club needs to assess the risk and reduce it to ALARP. I sat in The Coxy on the night of the DAB game where the crowd surged toward the DAB fans when we scored, looked awesome but found out people were injured / trampled during the surges so there has been incidents in The Derry.

They didn't 'please' the police and council they addressed legitimate police safety concerns that the council were asked to look at.

They let the fans down by doing what they needed to do in order to keep The Derry open and make sure the fans had their favourite place to sit? Pair o' *******s eh?

To be fair the areas that some clubs have specifically set aside for younger, noisier fans tend to be minters, look at the fermers and Motherwell areas; DABs tried it too, realised it was a minter and pulled the plug.

Parts of Dens are a tip no denying that, unfortunately the place just is not up to the H&S requirements of a modern football stadium.

[Deeranged]

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

[ProvieRd]

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

The stadium manager has said it many times, whether you believe it or not.

Question - if you can’t take one part of the ground in isolation why is it the Derry always targeted in these safety discussions?

The Shankly on Celtic Boxing Day, stewards and police withdrawn. **** themselves, no closure threat

[Deeranged]

The stadium manager has said it many times, whether you believe it or not.

Question - if you can’t take one part of the ground in isolation why is it the Derry always targeted in these safety discussions?

The Shankly on Celtic Boxing Day, stewards and police withdrawn. **** themselves, no closure threat

No reason to disbelieve you, just haven't heard it said myself.

The Derry is the least safe part of the ground and the only part over which there are serious concerns except when the twin cheeks visit at which point the police **** themselves, withdraw and leave them to it.

[Returnofrros]

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

Your aff your nut if you think getting in an pot the Derry is quicker now.

[Deeranged]

Your aff your nut if you think getting in an pot the Derry is quicker now.

Been proved. Don't sit there myself but it's usually empty by the time I get from my seat at the back of The Coxy to the exit - never was before the changes.