Beggars

[WBA123]

We’ve had over two years of this tripe of cliff edges, crashing and blindfolds and there’s still no sign of these old remoaners calling it quits. If they were to put as much enthusiasm into fighting more important things, such as war, poverty, homelessness, burglaries, stabbings, muggings, grooming gangs as they do into fighting the democratically expressed will of the majority, then the world would be a far better place.

And what is the 'expressed will of the majority'.....

You haven't got a clue, neither have I.

Because the referendum was a complete farce.

It looks like the 'expressed view of the majority' is going to be May's Chequers deal. Out of interest, is that what you voted for?

[stripes39]

Brexit will damage our economy, therefore the government (whichever party) will have less to spend on social issues, such as dealing with the causes of people being homeless and sleeping rough. Simple to comprehend.

Patronising fool

[Whicka_Mon]

And what is the 'expressed will of the majority'.....

You haven't got a clue, neither have I.

Because the referendum was a complete farce.

It looks like the 'expressed view of the majority' is going to be May's Chequers deal. Out of interest, is that what you voted for?

The referendum was a simple In or Out. A bit like the Big Dave Thread. I don't recall the government beating Leeds 4-1 So why should view's change.
I'm simple so excuse me but the majority voted out. END OF.
Unfortunately May was a remainer. She doesn't represent the majority.

[WBA123]

The referendum was a simple In or Out. A bit like the Big Dave Thread. I don't recall the government beating Leeds 4-1 So why should view's change.
I'm simple so excuse me but the majority voted out. END OF.
Unfortunately May was a remainer. She doesn't represent the majority.

It really isn't that simple mate, because if it was we wouldn't be 2 years down the line trying to negotiate a deal on terms not everyone voted for...

[talkSAFT]

Going slightly off-topic:
pre-referendum, a lot of the Public thought Boris Johnson was just a cuddly big softy, a bit of a laugh.
He was at the forefront of Brexit and, a week before the Referendum he lied that the UK would save £350m per week, which the Tory Chancellor would put straight into, and thus save, the NHS. I can imagine that when that statement was blazed across the tabloids, 2% of the Electorate "Don't Knows" might have been tempted to think "Oh sod it! That's good enough for me". That 2% swung it, as we know.
Seriously, how was Johnson allowed to get away with what he did? Everyone in the country knows what a complete buffoon he is now, and would never trust him again, and yet he's still being talked about as a future PM. I just don't get it.
I'm no Corbyn follower by any means, but just fancy a General Election quandary: Corbyn or Johnson. LibDems would clean up!

There should be a law against lying to the public on such a grand scale. Johnson should be banned from Westminster if only to deter other tw*ts like him.

[baggieal]

Going slightly off-topic:
pre-referendum, a lot of the Public thought Boris Johnson was just a cuddly big softy, a bit of a laugh.
He was at the forefront of Brexit and, a week before the Referendum he lied that the UK would save £350m per week, which the Tory Chancellor would put straight into, and thus save, the NHS. I can imagine that when that statement was blazed across the tabloids, 2% of the Electorate "Don't Knows" might have been tempted to think "Oh sod it! That's good enough for me". That 2% swung it, as we know.
Seriously, how was Johnson allowed to get away with what he did? Everyone in the country knows what a complete buffoon he is now, and would never trust him again, and yet he's still being talked about as a future PM. I just don't get it.
I'm no Corbyn follower by any means, but just fancy a General Election quandary: Corbyn or Johnson. LibDems would clean up!

There should be a law against lying to the public on such a grand scale. Johnson should be banned from Westminster if only to deter other tw*ts like him.

The biggest **** is Jeremy Corbyn who swayed all the youngsters with crap about abolishing university fees but he forgot to work out where the millions would come from!

Any budding Politicians out there? Just mimic our Jeremy - free university fees - get rid of military arms and services - hate the Jews -befriend terrorists - get your boots on with any national disaster - go to Glastonbury and lastly let Diane Abbott sit on your face!

[stripes39]

It puzzles me how so many choose to ignore the documented facts about what happened at the time of Britain’s entry in to the EEC. The expression about people throwing stones and glass houses springs to mind if we are to talk lies and deception.

For many people of a certain age, the recent referendum was an opportunity to redress the lies the country was told at the time. I’m not sure how many voters voted at the time for the UK to end up as a region in a European super-state. A state that would have its own flag and anthem, its own currency, a state that could over-rule UK laws and to have our daily lives ultimately governed by an unelected commission answerable to no one but themselves. Why, it’s even changed its name in the process going from being a sweet and pleasant sounding ‘community to a more formal ‘union’.

Britain had been kept out of the EEC largely by De Gaulle (driven by self interest) who wanted to establish the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) first in order to subsidise inefficient French farmers. Heath by this time was so desperate to join the EEC, he was willing to pay almost any price and he and his closest supporters happily and knowingly, repeatedly lied to his own Party, Parliament and the UK people.

Heath’s lies included the claim that the EEC was nothing more than a framework to trade in. The country was assured that membership involved no loss of sovereignty and that this fine democratic group was essential to our future economic prosperity. Heath never acknowledged that the long-term objective of the EEC was the creation of a federalist European super-State. This would be presided over by an unelected but all powerful Commission, advised by a Council of Ministers and with a directly-elected European Parliament whose only purpose was to rubber-stamp Commission decisions but who are ultimately mere window dressing in this farce.

From the outset, the Commission alone could initiate, amend or withdraw legislation. It's guiding principle was accumulation by stealth of sovereign powers, Using a whole range of dirty tactics (including refusing to allow Parliament to scrutinise the fine print of our membership and its legislative implications), Heath narrowly secured Parliamentary approval for his treachery and took the country into the EEC in 1973. He had no mandate for this action and during the crucial Parliamentary debate connived with the Speaker of The House of Commons to prevent the leading opponents of his plan from speaking.

Heath was so determined to force the UK into the EEC that when he was advised that a new emerging French policy on fisheries would destroy our own fishing industry and fish stocks he replied that the UK fishing industry was “expendable”. For him, it was a small price to pay.

In closing this little rant, I think it pays to ponder the fact that much of the mess we are in during our divorce from Europe goes back to the lies, the deceit and the total disregard for democracy that was peddled at the time we joined. Had the electorate at the time been told the truth, I’ve no doubt we would not have joined. No wonder so many voters of a certain age voted to leave having originally voted to join based on the lies they were told only to watch the emergence of a european super-state and the erosion of our hard won democracy that has been handed to a bunch of unelected old men.

[goodlordmurphy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKbIkYGsIg

[Leicesterbaggie]

A well written and succinct post. I am of that 'certain age' and remember thinking at the time that we were joining a six nation trading community, which it was at the time of its conception. I never suspected it would turn into the corrupt institution that it has become.

What I find unbelievable is how Remainers complain that we were told a pack of lies, when let's be honest, both sides told 'porkies'. The biggest problem is that too many Remainers have a vested interest in staying in. And there lies the problem.

[talkSAFT]

A well written and succinct post. I am of that 'certain age' and remember thinking at the time that we were joining a six nation trading community, which it was at the time of its conception. I never suspected it would turn into the corrupt institution that it has become.

What I find unbelievable is how Remainers complain that we were told a pack of lies, when let's be honest, both sides told 'porkies'. The biggest problem is that too many Remainers have a vested interest in staying in. And there lies the problem.

There's 'porkies' and 'lies'. Johnson (who, a few months earlier, had not raised a viewpoint either way) saw Brexit as an opportunity for self-promotion.
GB paid £350m a week Gross to EU, but the NETT figure was £200m. So only a halfwit would claim that 350 would, instead, be paid into NHS.
Either he's a complete halfwit who made a very worrying schoolboy error (and if he did, why on Earth was he given a Cabinet job, which he cocked-up,).........or a bullsh*tting b*stard.

(ps I'm no Remainer.)