Jakonavic

[baggieal]

QUOTE=baggieal;39169992]I wish they would just pay the feckin money for a decent manager. If you pay peanuts you get someone like Darren Moore.

Pisses me off big time and 2 million so what. Did not stop us paying this amount of money for that complete waste of space sturridge so the cash needs to be put into perspective.

Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.[/QUOTE]

I meant a short term salary of what you would expect a top championship club to pay and then a very generous bonus if he gets us promoted. Why would the manager not get a very large bonus when the players have a ten million bonus to share.

Seems like we are scrimping again on a new managers package. I hate to think what we pay for Bartley, HRK, Mears, Brunt and Morrison who plays one in ten games!!!

[BaggieBlood]

Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.

I meant a short term salary of what you would expect a top championship club to pay and then a very generous bonus if he gets us promoted. Why would the manager not get a very large bonus when the players have a ten million bonus to share.

Seems like we are scrimping again on a new managers package. I hate to think what we pay for Bartley, HRK, Mears, Brunt and Morrison who plays one in ten games!!![/QUOTE]

Al I said that he should get a bonus if he is a success, what I am arguing against is the £2m a year he is reported to want as a basic salary.

I maybe wrong but I think Roy got that much in the prem. We don't have that prem money and even if we did I would go for Carvahal short term if we cannot get Neil or Wagner, who were my first choices.

[goodlordmurphy]

Why?

Pearson (with Shakespeare as Assistant) nearly relegated a team that won the premiership the following season. Since then he's been sacked by Derby and some Belgian side I've never heard of.

Why would Shakespeare be suitable to be a manager? He's had less games than Moore as a manager, so in that respect he is more inexperienced.

Can't see how either or both together would be any kind of improvement on what we had.

Shakespeare on his own not a good idea I agree but often two people who get on together make good manager and assistant combination (Clough and Taylor) are first to spring to mind. For the very short time that they looked after West Brom they were unbeaten a combination of 5 games 4 wins and a draw. Not many and some will be daft enough to ignore it, but how many could it have stretched to.

Sacked from Leicester because of his wayward son hardly his fault, but he did set that team up...the whole team....for approximately £23million. Even tight arsed Albion could afford that when you consider some of the trash we have signed for much more.

Nearly relegated a team? was that Leicester who were admittedly sliding down the league and then took the bull by the horns and went on a long winning streak, tell me, any of our managers done that.

Yes released from OH Leuven, but that was after winning promotion, we don't know the ins and outs of finances, backing etc. They could have made it an absolutely impossible situation...don't know.

I've seen enough of the good things they have done to just dismiss them out of hand.

[WBA53]

QUOTE=baggieal;39169992]I wish they would just pay the feckin money for a decent manager. If you pay peanuts you get someone like Darren Moore.

Pisses me off big time and 2 million so what. Did not stop us paying this amount of money for that complete waste of space sturridge so the cash needs to be put into perspective.

Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.[/QUOTE]

With that remit expect Appleton to walk thru the door and we are back to square one where we may as well kept moore

[mickd1961]

QUOTE=baggieal;39169992]I wish they would just pay the feckin money for a decent manager. If you pay peanuts you get someone like Darren Moore.

Pisses me off big time and 2 million so what. Did not stop us paying this amount of money for that complete waste of space sturridge so the cash needs to be put into perspective.

Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.[/QUOTE]

We all know it doesn’t work like that BB.

If you sack a manager a year into a three year contract they don’t get paid the remaining two years.

A pay off figure is usually written in at the start along with it being reduced down if they walk into another job.

[BaggieBlood]

Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.

We all know it doesn’t work like that BB.

If you sack a manager a year into a three year contract they don’t get paid the remaining two years.

A pay off figure is usually written in at the start along with it being reduced down if they walk into another job.[/QUOTE]

QUOTE=mickd1961;39170198]Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.[/QUOTE]

We all know it doesn’t work like that BB.

If you sack a manager a year into a three year contract they don’t get paid the remaining two years.

A pay off figure is usually written in at the start along with it being reduced down if they walk into another job.[/QUOTE]

If memory serves me right you blamed garlick for the Evans contract and the derisory release clause therein.

Whatever you think about contracts there are 2 parties wanting the best contract for their respective clients.

So we don't all know how it works as each contract would be different and the terms only known to those agreeing them.

Someone like managerial novice DM would be in a much worse bargaining position than someone promoted like SJ and he can demand a that should he get sacked he wanted to get his contract paid up in full by a certain date.

That is my guess as to what Pulis did, hence he was paid up quickly by us and available to take the boro job (and signing on bonus) instead of him being put on gardening leave by us until an agreed time after which he'd be paid off in full and free to move to another club. The latter situation appears to be the one Wagner has as he is being paid by Huddersfield and if he takes a job elsewhere before the summer his new club has to pay compo.

The same was true of Sarri when he left napoli last year but could not join Chelsea until they paid significant compensation, even though he was relieved of his duties at napoli.

It all depends on the person's bargaining position when agreeing their contract.

So given that I don't want wba fc to commit so much money to a journey manager who wants £2m a year for a few years and isn't prepared to take a lower wage with the promise of a big promotion bonus if he is a success.

The reason I don't want to commit so much to any manager is because I don't want potential success over the future of the club, as unlike you I haven't got another team to go and watch.

[mickd1961]

We all know it doesn’t work like that BB.

If you sack a manager a year into a three year contract they don’t get paid the remaining two years.

A pay off figure is usually written in at the start along with it being reduced down if they walk into another job.

QUOTE=mickd1961;39170198]Sorry Al I don't agree if this guy gets a long term contract at £2m a year that could end up being a massive millstone around our neck longterm if he doesn't get promotion quickly.

If he has the hunger and desire to leave his comfort zone of London on a lower basic salary with big incentives for promotion then fine, but I don't think he deserves £2m in the second tier after he foooked up at Fulham before the boot.

The sturridge money was spent whilst we had prem money and more importantly it was very short and then it was goodbye and he was back to anfield in an ambulance.

If we give SJ a 3 year contract at £2m a year and then sack him after a season we would have paid him £6m.[/QUOTE]

We all know it doesn’t work like that BB.

If you sack a manager a year into a three year contract they don’t get paid the remaining two years.

A pay off figure is usually written in at the start along with it being reduced down if they walk into another job.[/QUOTE]

If memory serves me right you blamed garlick for the Evans contract and the derisory release clause therein.

Whatever you think about contracts there are 2 parties wanting the best contract for their respective clients.

So we don't all know how it works as each contract would be different and the terms only known to those agreeing them.

Someone like managerial novice DM would be in a much worse bargaining position than someone promoted like SJ and he can demand a that should he get sacked he wanted to get his contract paid up in full by a certain date.

That is my guess as to what Pulis did, hence he was paid up quickly by us and available to take the boro job (and signing on bonus) instead of him being put on gardening leave by us until an agreed time after which he'd be paid off in full and free to move to another club. The latter situation appears to be the one Wagner has as he is being paid by Huddersfield and if he takes a job elsewhere before the summer his new club has to pay compo.

The same was true of Sarri when he left napoli last year but could not join Chelsea until they paid significant compensation, even though he was relieved of his duties at napoli.

It all depends on the person's bargaining position when agreeing their contract.

So given that I don't want wba fc to commit so much money to a journey manager who wants £2m a year for a few years and isn't prepared to take a lower wage with the promise of a big promotion bonus if he is a success.

The reason I don't want to commit so much to any manager is because I don't want potential success over the future of the club, as unlike you I haven't got another team to go and watch.[/QUOTE]

More cheap shots by you BB.

Just because I don’t always agree with you there’s no need to make this type of comment.

For you information I’ve been following Stourbridge since I was a nipper.....like a lot of people in this country I follow a league and a non league side ......I didn’t realise this had become a crime!

This season is the first one in 47 years that I have “rebelled” if you want to call it that.

I have a massive issue with Lai’s pathetic ownership .....like the way you felt about Peace and still rant on about as is your right.

I can’t stomach paying money to this clown.

I also have personal family issues which make things more difficult,I told you personally about my son when we met I believe.

Last weekend stopped by police with no seatbelt and then found his insurance had run out a few days previously so on top of his present 7 points he’s now about to lose his licence.

We live in a rural place so getting to his job and to his 4/5 AA and drug counselling meetings is going to be impossible.

20 months of hard earned sobriety now at risk.

Along with my daughter’s husband leaving her with a baby we’ve had a very rough few months.

My point is,there are some things that take over from football once your kids become “adults”,maybe this is yet to come for you,I hope you get an easier ride.

I admire your passion and support for the club,I haven’t lost my passion but I hate Lai and on top of that I have other pressures to deal with.

[BaggieBlood]

It wasn't a cheap shot. My mate who goes to the Albion also watches Redditch and Alvechurch, whilst my best mate has given up on the vile and has a season ticket at halesowen, so I know some people have other teams and I understand that.

I actually like reading your posts about the number 9 derby etc, etc because I studied in Stourbridge and they are managed by ex baggie Hackett and want them to do well.

My point was about all contracts being different. What looks to us like an absolute s hit deal (eg like the Evans release clause or the brexit deal) is the only deal available.

So in Evans case he would not have signed without the relegation release clause and in if we don't like the brexit deal we have a no deal brexit.

I hate the c??? Peace and his mini me replacement as all they want to do is take the money generated by the club.

I go to watch Albion in the hope of seeing wins, whether they come under industrial "football" managers like God megson or Pulis or great football under mogga it about the win for me.

But, I agree with paying whatever to whoever just because they have had a bit of success, it doesn't always work as seen plenty of times eg league winner Ron Saunders.

Essentially I don't want us to make such a commitment to a manager because we will be losing the parachute money soon and going up is not the be all and end all to me anymore as going up and staying up for 8 years got us fooook all in infrastructure or any legacy other than highly played average players.

I am very sorry to here about your personal problems, I remember you telling me about your son and then read on here about his rehab.

I really hope he doesn't relapse and doesn't get a driving ban which isn't a certainty.

All the best to you and your family and I hope everything works out well for you all.