Net spend

[ghostrider]

Was that an answer to my question? Couldn't make anything up? Try again. ..

And keep in context Wilf...it started with you saying we've had no net spend but the squad is better!

I think the squad this season is better than the squad we had last season regardless of what people think of a net spend or not.

The reality is, we shipped out and bought in with money received.
If you think the squad is worse than last seasons then be my guest.

[usedtobeshearer]

When did we not spend under Rafa?
And by spend I mean using money gained from transfers out.

I think the squad this season is better than the squad we had last season regardless of what people think of a net spend or not.

The reality is, we shipped out and bought in with money received.
If you think the squad is worse than last seasons then be my guest.

Classic...it's my opinion so there! Haha.

To be fair, I can't disagree. Last season to this season wasn't the argument though was it?

The net spend figures are from a few years and the squad would be better if we had been able to spend more.

Anyway...bored now.

Ever heard of Occoms Razor?

We'll in this instance...I know we've been less competitive since Ashley has been in charge. I Know that the club makes less money in merchandise, marketing, advertising etc. I know the training facilities have been downgraded during his time here.

It would make sense that if he spent more then the club as a whole would be looking better on and off the pitch.

You can speculate all you want on how the club would have folded if he hadn't bought it...that the club would drop down the leagues if he had more ambition or another owner had taken over and tried to win things...but there are more variables there...

Anyway...that's judt my opinion of course! And what do I know? I believe a giant purple lettuce masterminded the building of the pyramids!

[toptoon]

Classic...it's my opinion so there! Haha.

To be fair, I can't disagree. Last season to this season wasn't the argument though was it?

The net spend figures are from a few years and the squad would be better if we had been able to spend more.

Anyway...bored now.

Ever heard of Occoms Razor?

We'll in this instance...I know we've been less competitive since Ashley has been in charge. I Know that the club makes less money in merchandise, marketing, advertising etc. I know the training facilities have been downgraded during his time here.

It would make sense that if he spent more then the club as a whole would be looking better on and off the pitch.

You can speculate all you want on how the club would have folded if he hadn't bought it...that the club would drop down the leagues if he had more ambition or another owner had taken over and tried to win things...but there are more variables there...

Anyway...that's judt my opinion of course! And what do I know? I believe a giant purple lettuce masterminded the building of the pyramids!

What a load of rubbish.


It was a pink lettuce.

[usedtobeshearer]

When did we not spend under Rafa?
And by spend I mean using money gained from transfers out.

What a load of rubbish.


It was a pink lettuce.

Haha haha. ..my bad!

[ghostrider]

To be fair, I can't disagree. Last season to this season wasn't the argument though was it?

That seemed to be the crux of it, yes.

The net spend figures are from a few years and the squad would be better if we had been able to spend more.

A few years?

We did spend more years ago and the squad, on paper was better. In reality it was worse. Not because of the quality but because of the attitude and the mindset of wantaway leap frog players.
Spending more money guarantees you nothing unless it's spent wisely and for a specific goal to hit as a matter of ultimate priority with a contingency plan in case it doesn't quite work out.

Ever heard of Occoms Razor?

We'll in this instance...I know we've been less competitive since Ashley has been in charge. I Know that the club makes less money in merchandise, marketing, advertising etc. I know the training facilities have been downgraded during his time here.

It would make sense that if he spent more then the club as a whole would be looking better on and off the pitch.

Not necessarily.
Many clubs thought that and many clubs are playing in lower leagues with great facilities but struggling to pay bills...especially for players.

You can speculate all you want on how the club would have folded if he hadn't bought it...that the club would drop down the leagues if he had more ambition or another owner had taken over and tried to win things...but there are more variables there...

Of course I can speculate, just as you can speculate that it would have been fine if he hadn't taken it over.
The reality of that will never be known but the thought process behind it all is pretty clear from that time. It was in grave trouble and was totally reliant on a takeover because there was no more money to borrow by those in charge at the time.

Would someone else have come in? Could they have done better?
We'll never know this.
What we do know is very simple. We're a north east club in the premier league under an owner who did take over and has done for over 11 years...and yet we've had some good times and bad times under that tenure...and still do.......BUT.......we are still in the premier league.

I'd hazard a guess that Q.P.R fans were dreaming of champions league and league titles, in short order, when they were taken over. I can imagine Fulham fans under Fayed at first thinking this was their time but then being disappointed, only to get a second breath with multi billionaire Khan.
The list goes on and on with clubs like these.
I remember fans going off it because Southampton were so well run it made us look like third world.
I remember Bournemouth were supposedly spending 20 million at a time on players and they were so ambitious, supposedly leaving us behind.
I could go on and on...and yet here we are.
Put it down to Rafa miracles on zero spends if you feel that way. I put it down to us being better run than people realise. We're just not ran like the gungho club that many want us to be, just to follow what the rest of the clubs do in trying to keep pace with the blank cheque brigade.

Nibbling away and building your own quality with a manager willing to do so will give us a much better chance of holding our own in a league that most want us in.
If we want better then we simply have to have a blank cheque owner who has the ability to buy what is required and offset it to a massive sponsor deal.

Anyway...that's judt my opinion of course! And what do I know? I believe a giant purple lettuce masterminded the building of the pyramids!

You are entitled to believe what you want to.
That's the beauty about a person's belief system. They can go with what fits their logical mindset.
There's no right or wrong way about a belief system, until physicality shows it to be right or wrong. This is where the issues really lie and generally it comes down to hindsight.

[usedtobeshearer]

When did we not spend under Rafa?
And by spend I mean using money gained from transfers out.

That seemed to be the crux of it, yes.

A few years?

We did spend more years ago and the squad, on paper was better. In reality it was worse. Not because of the quality but because of the attitude and the mindset of wantaway leap frog players.
Spending more money guarantees you nothing unless it's spent wisely and for a specific goal to hit as a matter of ultimate priority with a contingency plan in case it doesn't quite work out.

Not necessarily.
Many clubs thought that and many clubs are playing in lower leagues with great facilities but struggling to pay bills...especially for players.


Of course I can speculate, just as you can speculate that it would have been fine if he hadn't taken it over.
The reality of that will never be known but the thought process behind it all is pretty clear from that time. It was in grave trouble and was totally reliant on a takeover because there was no more money to borrow by those in charge at the time.

Would someone else have come in? Could they have done better?
We'll never know this.
What we do know is very simple. We're a north east club in the premier league under an owner who did take over and has done for over 11 years...and yet we've had some good times and bad times under that tenure...and still do.......BUT.......we are still in the premier league.

I'd hazard a guess that Q.P.R fans were dreaming of champions league and league titles, in short order, when they were taken over. I can imagine Fulham fans under Fayed at first thinking this was their time but then being disappointed, only to get a second breath with multi billionaire Khan.
The list goes on and on with clubs like these.
I remember fans going off it because Southampton were so well run it made us look like third world.
I remember Bournemouth were supposedly spending 20 million at a time on players and they were so ambitious, supposedly leaving us behind.
I could go on and on...and yet here we are.
Put it down to Rafa miracles on zero spends if you feel that way. I put it down to us being better run than people realise. We're just not ran like the gungho club that many want us to be, just to follow what the rest of the clubs do in trying to keep pace with the blank cheque brigade.

Nibbling away and building your own quality with a manager willing to do so will give us a much better chance of holding our own in a league that most want us in.
If we want better then we simply have to have a blank cheque owner who has the ability to buy what is required and offset it to a massive sponsor deal.

You are entitled to believe what you want to.
That's the beauty about a person's belief system. They can go with what fits their logical mindset.
There's no right or wrong way about a belief system, until physicality shows it to be right or wrong. This is where the issues really lie and generally it comes down to hindsight.

You again fail to take in another's points and repeat yourself.

It's okay...I'm verging on the deffintion of insanity so must stop.

[ghostrider]

You again fail to take in another's points.

I take in any points but whether I agree with them or not is down to whether I think the points present a valid argument for fact.
They don't generally and this is why I counter argue by putting my points across which are equally only my points of view and not necessarily fact.
It comes down to who has the facts or who believes they hold the higher ground if they don't have the facts.

Not as cut and dried as it appears when arguing points about the club and the custodians of it....etc.

[usedtobeshearer]

When did we not spend under Rafa?
And by spend I mean using money gained from transfers out.

I take in any points but whether I agree with them or not is down to whether I think the points present a valid argument for fact.
They don't generally and this is why I counter argue by putting my points across which are equally only my points of view and not necessarily fact.
It comes down to who has the facts or who believes they hold the higher ground if they don't have the facts.

Not as cut and dried as it appears when arguing points about the club and the custodians of it....etc.

No you didn't!

You passed over the facts that show Ashley has not been a good owner to yet again throw in your speculation that we would have done a Leeds. You deem the fact we are currently a Prem club as success...you've completely ignored the points that we just want to spend what the the club is capable of spending..I could go on.

You like to pretend to enjoy a debate...but to do that you do actually have to think about the other side of the argument instead of sticking to an agenda because you think going against the grain makes you more intelligent.

You never have to change your mind because sombody has a different opinion...but that doesn't mean you have to stick to an opinion...

That's it...I won't bother anymore. Just expect the odd, "Wrong" after your posts.

[ghostrider]

No you didn't!

You passed over the facts that show Ashley has not been a good owner to yet again throw in your speculation that we would have done a Leeds.

Not been a good owner?
It depends on how people want to view him as owner.
There's been a widespread build up of hate on him for a long time which periodically dies down to a point where the hate simmers and then cools depending on how well we appear to be doing at any specific time.
When things look a bit dodgy, he's back to being the devil.
Like I've said before. I have nothing against the man but I do acknowledge that he's been a liar and done some naive and stupid stuff on top of a lot of good. I'd say more good than bad from my view, which people like yourself do not share....and fair enough.
I'm not after changing your mind on anything, just as you won't change my mind by the means you stick to, unless you have facts at hand, not mere argumentum ad populum opinion passed off as a fact.

You deem the fact we are currently a Prem club as success...

No I don't. I deem the fact that we are a premier league club as being a club better run than people seem to think. It could be better run but equally could be a damn sight worse.
I'm real enough to understand that we are chasing the hare whilst muzzled.

you've completely ignored the points that we just want to spend what the the club is capable of spending..I could go on.

I'm not ignoring any points.
I'd love the club to spend what it can afford. That's exactly what I want.
I'd be extremely happy with that.
As long as I see signings and potential, I'm happy.
I'm seeing exactly that, so I have no issues.
What are your issues?
Is Almiron not counted?
Are Muto, Fernandez, Schar, Dubravka and co not deemed worthy or are they too cheap?
Why worry about what we think's in the pot. Worry about us having a squad and team on the pitch to support and cheer.
We have that and are in a much better state than most of the clubs in the entire football league.

You like to pretend to enjoy a debate...but to do that you do actually have to think about the other side of the argument instead of sticking to an agenda because you think going against the grain makes you more intelligent.

I don't pretend anything. I debate and people either like what I say or they don't.
Making myself more or less intelligent in the eyes of people is down to how they perceive what I say. I don't control that thought process, all I can do is put out my counter arguments of my opinion against opinions = general debate..

You never have to change your mind because sombody has a different opinion...but that doesn't mean you have to stick to an opinion...

I'd happily change my mind on anything I find I'm wrong about. What am I wrong about in terms of arguing against opinions, with my opinions? We generally, rarely argue facts because we are on the outside looking in and reliant on a whole host of speculation based on rumours/hearsay.

That's it...I won't bother anymore. Just expect the odd, "Wrong" after your posts.

Feel free to do what you wish.

[waalsendmick]

For phux sake!