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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Unfortunately there appears to be no effective opposition to Boris. Corbyn is lingering on like a bad smell that won’t disappear and the darling of the left is Rebecca Wrong-Daily. Is this Jeremy without a beard? There is a real opportunity for the Lib Dem# if they are prepared to accept the People should have been listened to on Brexit and move on, that reform of our electoral system is long overdue FPTP is an anachronism and only the Lib Dem# can deliver on this because Momentum have no idea what electoral reform is. We need to strike effective deals with all the Rest of the World that wants to trade with us and that includes the EU if they have any sense. I am worried about Scotland. It is their right to choose independence. I think they will be worse off by leaving the Union but I don’t have a vote on that. I do note we have a load of SNP members in Westminster. Foot in both camps?
    Crikey outwood I will have to respond to your latest diatribe when I get a spare hour or two. Right now I'm heading south.

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    We, as a country, can look at what may or may not have been and stagnate just as we have now done for the last three and a half years plus or we can take the bull by the horns and hope for decent leadership to move us on and make things work.
    We will be leaving the old job with everything it did or did not offer and going into new territory and it is up to us to make it work.

    It will take a lot of hard work and negotiation, however, we just have to hope that we have the people with the skills to progress the country. The biggest problem in doing this will be the fact that the SNP want independence and to stay in the EU which is a puzzle when you consdier that they want independence but would not have it by staying in the EU.

    Meanwhile, back in Ashington, I shall go walking the rivers, beaches and hills and enjoy life ---that is what retirement is for.

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    I voted early and then flew off to Germany on Thursday morning. I've just got back and it was interesting to see and hear the views from Germany and the US on their news networks.

    I told that nitwit of an MP of ours in Bolton North East two years ago not to test the disaffected Labour Brexit voters in this constituency.

    Did he listen? Did he heck, but I was really surprised to see the reaction from the same disaffected Labour Brexit voters in the former Labour Northern Stronghold right across the region.

    Bolton, Hyndburn, Preston, Burnley all lost to the Tories, which just goes to prove you can kid the kids some of the time, but a lot of these kids are not stark raving bonkers and are really not to be messed with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post

    Bolton, Hyndburn, Preston, Burnley all lost to the Tories, which just goes to prove you can kid the kids some of the time, but a lot of these kids are not stark raving bonkers and are really not to be messed with.
    I was out last night on a Christmas do at Holmes Mill BT, I was sat next to a lovely lady who worked as a carer, looking after handicapped and disabled people, and she was telling me the hours she worked and what she got paid. I felt ashamed to live in a country that paid her such a pittance for the incredibly difficult job she did while still sending over £20 billion abroad to the EU and in Foreign Aid. She wasn't best pleased about the Foreign Aid either, but what really got her goat, what really annoyed her, was not her low wages, although she wasn't happy about that, it was the fact that she knew people who, because of our benefits system, received more money from the government for sitting on their backsides at home all week, than she got for working 60/70 hours including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

    To me she was a typical, decent, hard working lass, she didn't want hand-outs, freebies or benefits, she wanted to stand on her own two feet and pay her own way in the world. I have no idea who she voted for, or her views on Brexit, I never asked, but to me she's symptomatic of why Labour's Red Wall in the north came crashing down, they just can't get their heads round ordinary working class people like her, and there are millions of them up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    I was out last night on a Christmas do at Holmes Mill BT, I was sat next to a lovely lady who worked as a carer, looking after handicapped and disabled people, and she was telling me the hours she worked and what she got paid. I felt ashamed to live in a country that paid her such a pittance for the incredibly difficult job she did while still sending over £20 billion abroad to the EU and in Foreign Aid. She wasn't best pleased about the Foreign Aid either, but what really got her goat, what really annoyed her, was not her low wages, although she wasn't happy about that, it was the fact that she knew people who, because of our benefits system, received more money from the government for sitting on their backsides at home all week, than she got for working 60/70 hours including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

    To me she was a typical, decent, hard working lass, she didn't want hand-outs, freebies or benefits, she wanted to stand on her own two feet and pay her own way in the world. I have no idea who she voted for, or her views on Brexit, I never asked, but to me she's symptomatic of why Labour's Red Wall in the north came crashing down, they just can't get their heads round ordinary working class people like her, and there are millions of them up here.
    Yes, it is shameful Sinkov.

    But who has been in power for the last ten yeats? (CLUE - not Labour)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Yes, it is shameful Sinkov.

    But who has been in power for the last ten yeats? (CLUE - not Labour)
    And who left a note for the incoming Tory government saying "Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam."

    I'll give you the answer 59, it was Liam Byrne, and he was Labour's Chief Secretary to the Treasury, so he knew what he was talking about, and sadly he wasn't joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    And who left a note for the incoming Tory government saying "Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam."

    I'll give you the answer 59, it was Liam Byrne, and he was Labour's Chief Secretary to the Treasury, so he knew what he was talking about, and sadly he wasn't joking.
    Sorry Sinkov, that excuse simply doesn't wash anymore.

    The lady you spoke to last night has been failed, not by Liam Byrne, but by the policy of the Tories.
    It is they who are paying people more money to sit on their arses than this lady gets paid for working 60/70 hours a week including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

    So if people like this lady were responsible for tearing down the red wall then I suggest that they picked the wrong target. Unless she was a leave supporter of course.

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    What was the views of the square heads and the arrogant Yanks on Brexit then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfinyalcabo View Post
    What was the views of the square heads and the arrogant Yanks on Brexit then ?
    In short Alf, the Germans are really afraid of losing a "lucrative" market and the Yanks can't wait to get their hands on the NHS.

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    I am pretty sure the demise of Labour in the North of England was about the lack of cojones our Northern MP's had about standing up for the constituents who voted to Leave.

    Three local (to me) Labour MP's all told their constituents they "knew better than us" and rejected the democratic consensus of the very constituency they represented. They are all packing their stuff and moving out of Westminster right now.

    Labour voters IMHO are not buying into Johnson's "brave new world", they just wanted the Labour Party to respect the result of the Brexit referendum. I said on here last week Corbyn could not risk the wrath of almost 6 million Labour leavers, he did and it's all over for him now.

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