Corbyn gone

[Supersub6]

We, as a country, can look at what may or may not have been and stagnate just as we have now done for the last three and a half years plus or we can take the bull by the horns and hope for decent leadership to move us on and make things work.
We will be leaving the old job with everything it did or did not offer and going into new territory and it is up to us to make it work.

It will take a lot of hard work and negotiation, however, we just have to hope that we have the people with the skills to progress the country. The biggest problem in doing this will be the fact that the SNP want independence and to stay in the EU which is a puzzle when you consdier that they want independence but would not have it by staying in the EU.

Meanwhile, back in Ashington, I shall go walking the rivers, beaches and hills and enjoy life ---that is what retirement is for.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I voted early and then flew off to Germany on Thursday morning. I've just got back and it was interesting to see and hear the views from Germany and the US on their news networks.

I told that nitwit of an MP of ours in Bolton North East two years ago not to test the disaffected Labour Brexit voters in this constituency.

Did he listen? Did he heck, but I was really surprised to see the reaction from the same disaffected Labour Brexit voters in the former Labour Northern Stronghold right across the region.

Bolton, Hyndburn, Preston, Burnley all lost to the Tories, which just goes to prove you can kid the kids some of the time, but a lot of these kids are not stark raving bonkers and are really not to be messed with.

[alfinyalcabo]

What was the views of the square heads and the arrogant Yanks on Brexit then ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

What was the views of the square heads and the arrogant Yanks on Brexit then ?

In short Alf, the Germans are really afraid of losing a "lucrative" market and the Yanks can't wait to get their hands on the NHS.

[sinkov]

Bolton, Hyndburn, Preston, Burnley all lost to the Tories, which just goes to prove you can kid the kids some of the time, but a lot of these kids are not stark raving bonkers and are really not to be messed with.

I was out last night on a Christmas do at Holmes Mill BT, I was sat next to a lovely lady who worked as a carer, looking after handicapped and disabled people, and she was telling me the hours she worked and what she got paid. I felt ashamed to live in a country that paid her such a pittance for the incredibly difficult job she did while still sending over £20 billion abroad to the EU and in Foreign Aid. She wasn't best pleased about the Foreign Aid either, but what really got her goat, what really annoyed her, was not her low wages, although she wasn't happy about that, it was the fact that she knew people who, because of our benefits system, received more money from the government for sitting on their backsides at home all week, than she got for working 60/70 hours including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

To me she was a typical, decent, hard working lass, she didn't want hand-outs, freebies or benefits, she wanted to stand on her own two feet and pay her own way in the world. I have no idea who she voted for, or her views on Brexit, I never asked, but to me she's symptomatic of why Labour's Red Wall in the north came crashing down, they just can't get their heads round ordinary working class people like her, and there are millions of them up here.

[1959_60]

I was out last night on a Christmas do at Holmes Mill BT, I was sat next to a lovely lady who worked as a carer, looking after handicapped and disabled people, and she was telling me the hours she worked and what she got paid. I felt ashamed to live in a country that paid her such a pittance for the incredibly difficult job she did while still sending over £20 billion abroad to the EU and in Foreign Aid. She wasn't best pleased about the Foreign Aid either, but what really got her goat, what really annoyed her, was not her low wages, although she wasn't happy about that, it was the fact that she knew people who, because of our benefits system, received more money from the government for sitting on their backsides at home all week, than she got for working 60/70 hours including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

To me she was a typical, decent, hard working lass, she didn't want hand-outs, freebies or benefits, she wanted to stand on her own two feet and pay her own way in the world. I have no idea who she voted for, or her views on Brexit, I never asked, but to me she's symptomatic of why Labour's Red Wall in the north came crashing down, they just can't get their heads round ordinary working class people like her, and there are millions of them up here.

Yes, it is shameful Sinkov.

But who has been in power for the last ten yeats? (CLUE - not Labour)

[sinkov]

Yes, it is shameful Sinkov.

But who has been in power for the last ten yeats? (CLUE - not Labour)

And who left a note for the incoming Tory government saying "Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam."

I'll give you the answer 59, it was Liam Byrne, and he was Labour's Chief Secretary to the Treasury, so he knew what he was talking about, and sadly he wasn't joking.

[1959_60]

And who left a note for the incoming Tory government saying "Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam."

I'll give you the answer 59, it was Liam Byrne, and he was Labour's Chief Secretary to the Treasury, so he knew what he was talking about, and sadly he wasn't joking.

Sorry Sinkov, that excuse simply doesn't wash anymore.

The lady you spoke to last night has been failed, not by Liam Byrne, but by the policy of the Tories.
It is they who are paying people more money to sit on their arses than this lady gets paid for working 60/70 hours a week including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

So if people like this lady were responsible for tearing down the red wall then I suggest that they picked the wrong target. Unless she was a leave supporter of course.

[Supersub6]

Sorry Sinkov, that excuse simply doesn't wash anymore.

The lady you spoke to last night has been failed, not by Liam Byrne, but by the policy of the Tories.
It is they who are paying people more money to sit on their arses than this lady gets paid for working 60/70 hours a week including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

So if people like this lady were responsible for tearing down the red wall then I suggest that they picked the wrong target. Unless she was a leave supporter of course.

No she didn't. She could see all the extra benefits that Corbyn and Co were proposing and this would have put her further down the pecking order because she would still have been working long hours, whilst others were working their 4 day week and the rest were on increased benefits. Loads of people know how to work the benefits system and successive governments have tried to rectify the situation, however, they are dealing with professionals and don't know how to stop the constant drain!

[sinkov]

Sorry Sinkov, that excuse simply doesn't wash anymore.

The lady you spoke to last night has been failed, not by Liam Byrne, but by the policy of the Tories.
It is they who are paying people more money to sit on their arses than this lady gets paid for working 60/70 hours a week including night shifts, weekends and bank holidays.

So if people like this lady were responsible for tearing down the red wall then I suggest that they picked the wrong target. Unless she was a leave supporter of course.

I've often lamented the fact 59, that the current Tory Party is not the party of Saint Margaret, she will be turning in her grave at lefty policies like race audits, workers on boards, energy price caps, banning fracking etc, so yes, I agree that she has been let down by these Red Tories, who have nowhere near eradicated the deficit, never mind reduced the debt, and are now proposing to spend on a scale that would even have embarrassed Blair and Brown. My point is that Labour were proposing to go much further than even these faux Tories with their freebies, handouts and rewards for the feckless and workshy, which grates with ordinary hard working people, but Labour just don't get it. Do the LibDems ? I don't know, you'll know better than me.