Should Matt Hancock be fired?

[boingy]

It’s not rocket science lads. You can’t get the amounts of PPE needed. The world is after it and there isn’t enough of it. Local suppliers can’t make enough quick enough. So who are you going to blame? Matt Hancock? Why? Just because you don’t like him? What kind of reason is that?

[regis80]

It’s not rocket science lads. You can’t get the amounts of PPE needed. The world is after it and there isn’t enough of it. Local suppliers can’t make enough quick enough. So who are you going to blame? Matt Hancock? Why? Just because you don’t like him? What kind of reason is that?

Yep, small companies like this can make them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-52358036

But nhs red tape putting lives in danger. This ain’t the first time i’ve read an article like this.

Hancock doesn’t know how to think on his feet. Wrong person as health secretary.

[mickd1961]

It’s not rocket science lads. You can’t get the amounts of PPE needed. The world is after it and there isn’t enough of it. Local suppliers can’t make enough quick enough. So who are you going to blame? Matt Hancock? Why? Just because you don’t like him? What kind of reason is that?

You’re clearly not reading what I’ve been saying for a month.

Although my expertise is in sports equipment I have a lot of contacts.

A month ago I was offered 500,000 N95 certified face masks ( as used in NHS ) and 500,000 gowns.......already in containers in China ready to leave.

Knowing nobody in the NHS top positions I reached out.

A forum member gave me the personal email address of one of the top ladies within NHS management so I emailed her.

I didn’t even get the courtesy of a reply!

My long time contact who’s company was involved in producing this shipment then tried numerous routes into the NHS all without getting a single reply!

The result........he’s sold it to a health provider in the USA within hours of offering it over there!

On Sunday he contacted me with details of his company’s factory in China and a fascinating video showing the machine ( just one single machine - one of many they have ) that produces 100,000+ of these N95 certified masks PER DAY.

I can buy as many as I want as often as I want Boingy so please explain how it is that I ...... knowing nothing about PPE can access it so easily and that dullard Hancock and the rest of the a r s e clowns at the NHS and in the Civil Service and government can’t?

It is a scandal and it’s a disgrace and this is coming from me.......a big Tory supporter.

My daughter works in the care sector and has been mobile looking after old people for years.

I’m relieved she’s not working at present as she’s bringing up a toddler on her own.

If you had family wrapping bin bags around them whilst dealing with the sick maybe you might think that Hancock was totally inept and a bit of a c hunt.

I for one do!

[stripes39]

It’s not rocket science lads. You can’t get the amounts of PPE needed. The world is after it and there isn’t enough of it. Local suppliers can’t make enough quick enough. So who are you going to blame? Matt Hancock? Why? Just because you don’t like him? What kind of reason is that?

The government made a decision in 2016 despite being advised otherwise that stockpiling PPE was cost prohibitive. Seems this has come back to bite them. The lack of testing and lack of basic PPE even for medical staff is appalling for the worlds 6 th richest economy so stop apologising for them. Any governments primary job is to protect its people. I agree it’s not rocket science but obviously on different points to you.

[baggieal]

The government made a decision in 2016 despite being advised otherwise that stockpiling PPE was cost prohibitive. Seems this has come back to bite them. The lack of testing and lack of basic PPE even for medical staff is appalling for the worlds 6 th richest economy so stop apologising for them. Any governments primary job is to protect its people. I agree it’s not rocket science but obviously on different points to you.

Totally agree with you Stripes. The Government as well should be open and include outside hospital coronavirus deaths within the figures like other countries. They won't as most likely this would give us more deaths than any country in the EU!

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

.........and they don’t get adequately answered 923,not even close.

This fiasco with the Turkey shipment that was arriving “Sunday”.

There’s still no guarantee it’ll be here today or tomorrow.......why?

Hancock or whoever answer the question.....why?

I’ve been importing containers and LCL deliveries from China and Europe for 24years,it really isn’t that difficult.

Planes and container ships are booked well in advance so the only other explanation is that the government is lying about arrival date or the factory making the goods has f hooked up........there’s no other reasons for this delay.

If it was down to the factory then they’d be quick to call them out but they haven’t.

The galling thing about this PPE stuff is that it can all be made on fully automated production lines so it’s something that could and should be made in the U.K.

If the government had any sense at all it would create a state entity to produce stuff like this.

Once you’ve invested in the machinery you then get years and years of creating the stuff at the cheapest price.

Either that or they set up a link with a major company and agree a base price per product at the start and the only price fluctuations allowed are for inflation and increases/decreases in oil price.

Maybe it’s just the small businessman in me that makes me so angry because so many of these issues are so easily solved to the benefit of the NHS,it’s workers and the tax payer.

Oh and by the way.......

Matt Hancock...........LIAR!!!!

I have no doubt anyone could arrange a container of ping pong balls from China right now and I would suggest you could even get a promise of a PPE delivery. But could you actually get the delivery here?

The Turkey consignment saga which had such close scrutiny is just one example of the shenanigans involving Coronavirus products that is making it impossible for govts to deliver on promises. I heard an interview on the World Service last night with the Turkish ambassador to the UK and my guess is the Turks were dragging their feet holding out for more money (the supplier is a private co nothing to do with the Turkish Govt).Why didn't we call them out? Turkey is a major supplier of PPE. Is now a good time to point the finger?

Here are just some of numerous examples all after contracts had been signed
Germany blocked exports of 240,000 items to Switzerland and Czechia/Turkish govt blocked sales of ventilators to Spain/Slovakia lost a consignment from China when Germany paid more/Italian truck sent to Switzerland returned empty because a foreign country had taken the promised goods/France seized face masks and sanitizers on the way here/Italy seized 800,000 masks meant for Switzerland/680.000 bound for Italy face masks and ventilators confiscated by Czechia in an anti-trafficking operation. Czechia admitted the mistake but kept the goods/Swedish company claims France confiscates 6 million face masks from China destined for Spain and Italy/lots of stories of goods received not what was ordered or faulty.

Want to be the man responsible for managing that? I don't!

Why aren't we making gowns for instance here. Guy on our local news tonight has the machinery but can't get the specialist material.

I'm no fan of Matt Hancock and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.He is an awful communicator so many ums and ers. but I do consider he is being made the scapegoat by a many. It's difficult in these times to take a barometer of ones views against others and I would appear to be in the minority on here. However last night 11 of us.'got together' for book club and to a man and woman we were all supportive of the govt speakers at the briefings and sick to the back teeth of the questions being asked. And 5 of the group either worked in NHS. were ex NHS or had family in the NHS

[TipperaryBaggie]

Don't worry 123, you're not alone. In a recent poll the majority of this country were backing the government in this difficult time. Remember, we are all in it together, so lets make sure that we pull together and beat this feckin virus once and for all.

[mickd1961]

I have no doubt anyone could arrange a container of ping pong balls from China right now and I would suggest you could even get a promise of a PPE delivery. But could you actually get the delivery here?

The Turkey consignment saga which had such close scrutiny is just one example of the shenanigans involving Coronavirus products that is making it impossible for govts to deliver on promises. I heard an interview on the World Service last night with the Turkish ambassador to the UK and my guess is the Turks were dragging their feet holding out for more money (the supplier is a private co nothing to do with the Turkish Govt).Why didn't we call them out? Turkey is a major supplier of PPE. Is now a good time to point the finger?

Here are just some of numerous examples all after contracts had been signed
Germany blocked exports of 240,000 items to Switzerland and Czechia/Turkish govt blocked sales of ventilators to Spain/Slovakia lost a consignment from China when Germany paid more/Italian truck sent to Switzerland returned empty because a foreign country had taken the promised goods/France seized face masks and sanitizers on the way here/Italy seized 800,000 masks meant for Switzerland/680.000 bound for Italy face masks and ventilators confiscated by Czechia in an anti-trafficking operation. Czechia admitted the mistake but kept the goods/Swedish company claims France confiscates 6 million face masks from China destined for Spain and Italy/lots of stories of goods received not what was ordered or faulty.

Want to be the man responsible for managing that? I don't!

Why aren't we making gowns for instance here. Guy on our local news tonight has the machinery but can't get the specialist material.

I'm no fan of Matt Hancock and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.He is an awful communicator so many ums and ers. but I do consider he is being made the scapegoat by a many. It's difficult in these times to take a barometer of ones views against others and I would appear to be in the minority on here. However last night 11 of us.'got together' for book club and to a man and woman we were all supportive of the govt speakers at the briefings and sick to the back teeth of the questions being asked. And 5 of the group either worked in NHS. were ex NHS or had family in the NHS

I’m sure you write some of this stuff just to wind me up 923......another poster said the same in regards to himself last week.

How condescending a reply......”I suppose you could get ping pong balls”.......etc,etc.

Would I be confident of getting PPE here?

Yes I would because I trust the guy who offered it me as I’ve done a lot of business with him over the last decade and he knows his stuff.

I don’t know what your history is in business and I don’t personally claim to be a genius in business 923 but I know my way around buying from and shipping in from China in the hundreds of thousands of Pounds.

What’s your history of conducting buying importing of goods from the Far East?

A very interesting comment from a guy on the Channel 4 special tonight who echoed what I’ve been saying in recent days.

He said that we’d become too reliant on believing China would always be able to cover whatever we needed come doomsday and that the PPE is so easy to produce that we should be doing it here at home.

As I said last night,it’s a totally automated process taking 45 seconds to produce and pack a certified N95 mask and 100,000+ per machine can be made in a day.

From now onwards there is no excuse for this stuff not being made here at home because once you buy the machine you're quids in in every way.

As for Hancock........a dreadful performance from a shifty,evasive man totally out of his depth.

[regis80]

To those that think the majority of us on here calling for Hancock to be fired is OTT and he’s been unfairly made a scapegoat, the guy has been out of his depth since the election campaign. I didn’t think he sounded that convincing at the time, especially when other party members were made to look like buffoons during the campaign. These were my thoughts back in Dec. He’s a liar. I can’t stand Piers but he’s been the only one to really challenge him.

A question for you, how is it that countries such as Ireland are purchasing our UK made PPE but our government won’t touch them? IDS said the other day our UK ones are not upto scratch.. well why can’t we get them upto a standard? Instead of relying on what could be faulty ones from China let’s sort our own out and keep the money here. Brexit eh.
Why can’t all these companies be made to work with each other to collaborate to get the desired quantities? There are simply no excuses.

What was it on the news the other day that one of the PPE companies being sold to the americans during the pandemic?

[stripes39]

There's a lot that doesn't add up with all of this. It seems as if the manufacturers out there do want to do their bit but either aren't being asked or offers of help are going unanswered. I think that Piers Morgan is one of the few in doing a good job in holding these people to account and showing that many of them do not have a grasp on basic statistics. Just this morning I saw him asking a minister how many people were tested yesterday. He didn't know so Piers told him. I don't doubt they're doing their best but it doesn't seem an unreasonable ask that a country like ours can turn out PPE at short notice without importing Chinese cr*p. It also doesn't seem unreasonable to ask why there was no contingency in place for a viral pandemic with stockholding of PPE.