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Thread: Squad investment

  1. #21
    Malpas was picked by Butcher and left behind when he went to Australia. Lasley was already been guided by the club through the youth coaching, his qualifications and part of Robinson's job has clearly been to develop him. You may disagree with having a succession plan or that Lasley should be the chosen one and the result might be the same - but it's obviously been a completely different process to what left us with Malpas. And when you look at the club leadership now and where we are compared to where we've been, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt if that's the call that's made.

    Plenty of companies have succession plans in place, is there a fundamental reason it can't work in football? Liverpool did fine with it for a while...

    I would say Robinson's record is reality and you're the one being theoretical...not much has changed since November 2017?? He completely changed the team and style in January 2019, lost several key players from it and rebuilt a side which was almost certainly going to finish in the top four before the pandemic hit.

    Much like I never understood why people talked down how good Hammell and Lasley were for us when their times were coming to an end, I don't understand why there's a desire to put such a negative slant on everything Robinson has done with us now. His time may very well be up but the suggestion he's been rubbish the whole time or lucky or only played hoofball is simply not true.

    If we write down all our managers since McLean (or even further back if you want) in two columns with those who achieved more than Robinson on one side and less on the other, it will be immediately apparent just what a good job he's done.

  2. #22
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    The end result will be the same re: Lasley though. As with Malpas we will be handing the job to an untested manager who has basically got the job before it even becomes available. Neither of those facts sit well with me.

    As for Robinson, yes he did change the team in Jan '19 when Turnbull became a regular and Hastie arrived on the scene and he does deserve some credit for that, but I'd argue that his hand was also forced in that we had just lost in the Cup to Ross County and the majority not the support had by that point lost patience with him. The Hibs game that midweek really was all or bust for him and we managed to get the result and went on a good run from then until April '19. I know you keep referring to last season, but I will keep answering the same. We were rotten last season and EXTREMELY lucky to be sitting where we were when the campaign was abandoned. The football we played for large spells last season, bar from brief spells during the Sep - Dec period was as bad as anything we had seen in the previous season and we completely fell away after New Year and only Aberdeen and others also being incredibly inconsistent kept us where we were. As far as I'm concerned anyway, 'finishing third' doesn't count because the season was not completed and we were rank rotten.

    I don't claim that Robinson has been rubbish or lucky the whole time he's been here. When he came in at first he was a breath of fresh air and his work over the summer of 2017 in removing the deadwood and the 'class of 2003' from the first team, made some really good signings in Carson and Kipre and installed a much more enthusiastic feeling around the squad and the club. We started well before falling away but showed our mettle in reaching two cup finals, albeit the Scottish Cup run was slightly fortueose I thought, but we did well overall. Since then things haven't been so good. His rebuilding of the 12-18 over summer 2018 was a disaster and what we got on the park for the majority of that season reflected that. The football we have played as a spectacle has been dismal and there are no signs that will improve. His transfer record is patchy overall and woeful in terms of signing forward players and the signs are now that he has run out of ideas and him and us would be better parting company.

  3. #23
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    Defeat against St.Johnstone and I think he will know himself his time is up. Although I suspect he will be allowed until end of the month to turn things around

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by LawSteelman View Post
    The end result will be the same re: Lasley though. As with Malpas we will be handing the job to an untested manager who has basically got the job before it even becomes available. Neither of those facts sit well with me.

    As for Robinson, yes he did change the team in Jan '19 when Turnbull became a regular and Hastie arrived on the scene and he does deserve some credit for that, but I'd argue that his hand was also forced in that we had just lost in the Cup to Ross County and the majority not the support had by that point lost patience with him. The Hibs game that midweek really was all or bust for him and we managed to get the result and went on a good run from then until April '19. I know you keep referring to last season, but I will keep answering the same. We were rotten last season and EXTREMELY lucky to be sitting where we were when the campaign was abandoned. The football we played for large spells last season, bar from brief spells during the Sep - Dec period was as bad as anything we had seen in the previous season and we completely fell away after New Year and only Aberdeen and others also being incredibly inconsistent kept us where we were. As far as I'm concerned anyway, 'finishing third' doesn't count because the season was not completed and we were rank rotten.

    I don't claim that Robinson has been rubbish or lucky the whole time he's been here. When he came in at first he was a breath of fresh air and his work over the summer of 2017 in removing the deadwood and the 'class of 2003' from the first team, made some really good signings in Carson and Kipre and installed a much more enthusiastic feeling around the squad and the club. We started well before falling away but showed our mettle in reaching two cup finals, albeit the Scottish Cup run was slightly fortueose I thought, but we did well overall. Since then things haven't been so good. His rebuilding of the 12-18 over summer 2018 was a disaster and what we got on the park for the majority of that season reflected that. The football we have played as a spectacle has been dismal and there are no signs that will improve. His transfer record is patchy overall and woeful in terms of signing forward players and the signs are now that he has run out of ideas and him and us would be better parting company.
    I don't see how accumulating more points than the rest over what, 30 games, can be put down to luck. I never thought we would finish third but even with our poor form fourth was much more likely than not.

    Anyway, you and I have both been wrong in the past about his time being up, we will see if third time's a charm.

    I also reckon we won't sack him if we lose to St Johnstone immediately before Coleraine but the end of the month and completing the first round of fixtures is surely do or die.

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