The Brexit Lies.

[regis80]

Hello Regis. I read the thread title when the thread was originally posted. Didn't bother opening it on account of how much bull and balls was posted by both sides during the original Brexit debate. Dare say others may feel the same.

I've only opened it now because I was bored. Now I'm even more bored despite not having read every post and I've got no intention of doing so. Unless the forum rules have been updated we're not obliged to open every thread, read every post or reply. I'm only doing so now out of courtesy. And because I'm bored.

I'm off to finish my boring DIY project which seems to have dragged on for weeks and which will probably drag on for a few more. Just so you know, I may or may not reopen the thread.

Have a wonderful day.

That’s a shame you won’t reopen this thread, we were all keen to know what this diy job is?😃

[mickd1961]

Nothing will change my mind even if there are adjustments and teething problems. The moment the EU wanted control of anything other than just buying and selling goods together as neighbours it was a goodbye from me. That's been decades now. Its been a huge tangled web of complicated integration and I wondered if we would ever get free of it. Well now we have and if we get a bloody nose for a while because they don't like it, so be it. There will be people it wont suit and there will be people it will, but in time it will be the best thing we have done, and I still firmly believe that other countries will follow suit. That's all I'm saying. There is a big world out there. The EU is just a part of it. It was always going to be a painful process because of the mantra "You can stay but you can never leave"

I can’t see anyone else leaving mate.

It will take 20 year proof of us having ended up like Fantasy Island before anyone else will have the guts/stupidity to try it.

I’m Recardo Montalban in our U.K. version, WBA123 is playing the part of my sidekick Tattoo 😏

You need to be 50+ to have the faintest idea what I’m on about 😆

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[TipperaryBaggie]

I am sure that if we assessed the main reasons the 17.4 million voted to leave the EU, trade would be down the list and certainly behind sovereignty, regaining our own laws and having control over our borders. I do feel for the business people on this forum with all this extra administration but I feel that we should wait to see whether the system settles down over time.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

I am sure that if we assessed the main reasons the 17.4 million voted to leave the EU, trade would be down the list and certainly behind sovereignty, regaining our own laws and having control over our borders. I do feel for the business people on this forum with all this extra administration but I feel that we should wait to see whether the system settles down over time.

Exactly my position, too TB. We didn't ask just businesses, we asked the whole population, and whilst the wheels of commerce are very important, to me, at least, they are not overridingly important.

We are three weeks into the new system (a snapshot in time) and could expect issues, as everyone, them and us, come to terms with it.

For sure, our friends over the channel will be quite content to see the current situation, and, dare I say, quite happy to mix it up a little.

The government have been banging on for 6 months or more, for exporters to be ready (due diligence). All I can say is, make sure it's the system that is at fault.

Let's see where we are in a couple of months.

[WBA123]

I am sure that if we assessed the main reasons the 17.4 million voted to leave the EU, trade would be down the list and certainly behind sovereignty, regaining our own laws and having control over our borders. I do feel for the business people on this forum with all this extra administration but I feel that we should wait to see whether the system settles down over time.

To me this is where we differ.

Trade was the only decision to make on the referendum in my opinion. And many who voted leave didn't vote based on trade. Again proves to you the success of the PR Leave machine.

And when you say 'wait for it to settle down' then I'm afraid much of the damage done is now irreparable. Our credibility in the world is extremely low. Assets have been moved to Europe and won't return. Some UK companies have lost business, some will go to the wall. This will affect employment and living standards. Its a high price to pay for a blue passport.

[regis80]

How many people on here who voted brexit talked about trade during the referendum vote? zilch
Yet some are claiming they did when they didn’t and now believing their own confirmation bias. Now they are waiting for Frexit to happen and next the italians.. only place this news is sourced from are those youtube propaganda videos that love to click bait.
The fact is, we never got that mini trade deal with Trump.. and as our gov were cosying up to him, this isn’t going to bode well with Biden in charge now. Why really do we have to offer to the rest of the world? A world Financial market? Who does that ever benefit?

[TipperaryBaggie]

How many people on here who voted brexit talked about trade during the referendum vote? zilch
Yet some are claiming they did when they didn’t and now believing their own confirmation bias. Now they are waiting for Frexit to happen and next the italians.. only place this news is sourced from are those youtube propaganda videos that love to click bait.
The fact is, we never got that mini trade deal with Trump.. and as our gov were cosying up to him, this isn’t going to bode well with Biden in charge now. Why really do we have to offer to the rest of the world? A world Financial market? Who does that ever benefit?

You are just confirming what I said earlier Regis. Trade was well down the list of reasons to leave for the majority of the 17.4 million people who voted leave in 2016.

[mickd1961]

Exactly my position, too TB. We didn't ask just businesses, we asked the whole population, and whilst the wheels of commerce are very important, to me, at least, they are not overridingly important.

We are three weeks into the new system (a snapshot in time) and could expect issues, as everyone, them and us, come to terms with it.

For sure, our friends over the channel will be quite content to see the current situation, and, dare I say, quite happy to mix it up a little.

The government have been banging on for 6 months or more, for exporters to be ready (due diligence). All I can say is, make sure it's the system that is at fault.

Let's see where we are in a couple of months.

Your last paragraph is laughable, you’re obviously not in business!?

We, like tens of thousands of other companies that export, have been trying to find out all of the information that was needed.

We got months of almost nothing.

Then at 6.00pm on New Years Eve a generic email was sent to all of us desperate companies giving us the bare bones of what was required.......SIX HOURS before Brexit completed.

The EORI code required to send bulk goods into the Eu since the 1st of January has still not arrived.

Maybe you think that a private company like mine that turns over £4-£5m a year is a pi s s pot operation, you might be right.

Ask yourself why UPS, DPD and many other companies suspended deliveries into the Eu over the last two weeks?

It’s because our government and the Eu are presiding over a s h I t fest.

We did as much “due diligence” as we could, if your own government can’t give you the info you need where are you supposed to go?

Answer on a postcard!!?

Thank you.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

Happy to bring some levity to you, in these strident times.

I can't give you my background, here, as I am under NDAs, but I can assure you that it involves multi million exports around the world, as part of the largest multi national in it's sector.

My point, if you read the post, was to ensure it is the system that is at fault. It clearly is, and I understand that an SME relies for it's life, on consistent cash flow. This is something the larger groups can stand, as a sale is a sale and payment will be made eventually. They can afford to Factor their Sales Ledger if times get hard. Much more difficult for others.

You clearly have a successful business, Mick, and there are forces set against you at this moment, but that doesn't mean it will always be like this, and the truth 12 months ago, is still the truth. We are being punished by EU Bureaucrats, but I believe their attention will move elsewhere, at some point.

To be fair, no one knew a, at Christmas, what the Deal would be, so difficult to predict what paperwork would be required, by them, but everyone knew there would be more of it, so no surprises, there.

I am quite sure you are agile enough to weather yet another storm in the history of your business, and you will come out the other side much stronger for it. You have to find ways, that's all.

Good luck.

[regis80]

PS I've stopped buying wine from the EU plenty of other good alternatives. That'll shake their economies to the core.

What and absolute embarrassment of a post, particularly your last paragraph. It shows you have no knowledge of how things work or what has been going on in international trade wars over the past year (which i’ll come to in a moment).

First of all, you’ll stop buying wine from the EU?.. what you’ll actually go to the shopping wine aisle and just go straight for your ozzie and nz plonk? Telling yourself ‘i’m not buying EU wine’. Only few weeks ago you were going on about having a nice glass of sauternes. Perhaps we should all chip in a quid and buy you a map eh? so you can work out where that wine comes from.. you bloody chardonnay drinker. Mr chablis!

If you keep up to date with the trade wars that went on between Trump and China and even Countries in Europe you’ll know that the US put up tariffs on French wine. As a result supply of French wine to the US dropped. Now that Trump is out, don’t you think this will now be restored? We may not want French wine, but the US is a big market that will keep the French happy. Just think about it logically, selling to us don’t mean a thing.. they’ll only redistribute it elsewhere and without the red tape hassle.