And in our neighbours

[kettering_baggie]

This is a problem, who do you trust for your news? Too many of our newspapers are too aligned to a political viewpoint and their readers only too willing (inadvertently maybe), to accept that viewpoint. As for Boris and his government, yes, mistakes have almost certainly been made but nobody else can honestly say that they would have done better. Let’s not forget why we are in this mess, it’s not of Boris’s doing, nor is it the fault of the EU; you can’t even blame Trump for this. The real villains of it all are the Chinese; it came from their laboratory and they covered it up for weeks.

[WBA123]

This is a problem, who do you trust for your news? Too many of our newspapers are too aligned to a political viewpoint and their readers only too willing (inadvertently maybe), to accept that viewpoint. As for Boris and his government, yes, mistakes have almost certainly been made but nobody else can honestly say that they would have done better. Let’s not forget why we are in this mess, it’s not of Boris’s doing, nor is it the fault of the EU; you can’t even blame Trump for this. The real villains of it all are the Chinese; it came from their laboratory and they covered it up for weeks.

I find that viewpoint very hard to agree with.

Boris missed 5 Cobra meetings about this virus when it broke out. He was late to lock the country down. He went against SAGE advice re the new variant over Xmas. The Govt he is leading has made so many mistakes that would have saved lives. I think his lackadaisical attitude has been a driver behind our horrendous figures. So yes, I think any other responsible politician would have done better.

As for China, we can only control what is happening here. China wasn't in charge of our failed T&T or mixed public messaging. There is probably much more to come out - but if this disease was man made I think the rest of the world would know by now.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I work with a couple of Europeans and I was just talking to them about this AZ issue. They told me the way its being reported by the press in the EU is wildly different than here. In Germany, it is being reported as a contractual issue. In the UK, its a national dogfight between the UK and the EU.

The UK press are succeeding again in making this a nationalistic issue.

Will we ever learn our lesson do you think?

You crack me up 123. Another Remain lie. Is there no end to them?

On the radio this morning they did a round up of European newspaper headlines reference the vaccine roll out totally slaughtering the handling of the EU

This is the headline from the highly regarded Die Zeit

'THE BEST ADVERT FOR BREXIT'

This nothing to do with the UK govt it's Astra Zenica and the EU. The first 4 names that appear on the list of Astra bosses are Pascal, Marc, Katrina and Jose which sounds to me as British as sauerkraut.

In our press I think it's being portrayed as a Brexit issue (which it is) not a nationalistic one

You do exactly what you accuse us Brexiteers of. You hear something, you read something, you accept it and straight away it's on here.

Reference your post immigration into the UK the point your missing is it is WE that decide. Our population growth over the next 30 years is very different to the rest of the EU. We need a policy that suits us not a one size fits all.

If we get it wrong then on our own heads be it. And of course we can always change it without asking anyone else!

[kettering_baggie]

I find that viewpoint very hard to agree with.

Boris missed 5 Cobra meetings about this virus when it broke out. He was late to lock the country down. He went against SAGE advice re the new variant over Xmas. The Govt he is leading has made so many mistakes that would have saved lives. I think his lackadaisical attitude has been a driver behind our horrendous figures. So yes, I think any other responsible politician would have done better.

As for China, we can only control what is happening here. China wasn't in charge of our failed T&T or mixed public messaging. There is probably much more to come out - but if this disease was man made I think the rest of the world would know by now.

I’m not saying that Boris hasn’t made mistakes, he has, some of them very bad ones but the point that I was making is that it is not possible to say that others wouldn’t have made mistakes. Don’t forget that had Boris lost the election to Labour, it would be Corbin making the decisions now and nobody in their right mind would imagine that good old Jeremy would be more competent than Boris! At this juncture, I must point out that I didn’t vote Tory in the last election, so I am not a Boris disciple. Nobody has had any experience of dealing with such a medical emergency for 100 years, not since the ‘Spanish’ flu of 1918/19. Some mistakes were inevitable and back to the Chinese, if they had acted promptly and responsibly, then the worldwide pandemic might, just might, have been avoided. So criticise the government if you wish and I repeat that mishaps been made, but remember the culpability of the Chinese.

[WBA123]

You crack me up 123. Another Remain lie. Is there no end to them?

On the radio this morning they did a round up of European newspaper headlines reference the vaccine roll out totally slaughtering the handling of the EU

This is the headline from the highly regarded Die Zeit

'THE BEST ADVERT FOR BREXIT'

This nothing to do with the UK govt it's Astra Zenica and the EU. The first 4 names that appear on the list of Astra bosses are Pascal, Marc, Katrina and Jose which sounds to me as British as sauerkraut.

In our press I think it's being portrayed as a Brexit issue (which it is) not a nationalistic one

You do exactly what you accuse us Brexiteers of. You hear something, you read something, you accept it and straight away it's on here.

Reference your post immigration into the UK the point your missing is it is WE that decide. Our population growth over the next 30 years is very different to the rest of the EU. We need a policy that suits us not a one size fits all.

If we get it wrong then on our own heads be it. And of course we can always change it without asking anyone else!

'Another remain lie'
Is me having a conversation with a German guy about the reporting of this in the press in Germany...

"This nothing to do with the UK govt it's Astra Zenica and the EU"
Correct, this is the point I'm trying to make

"In our press I think it's being portrayed as a Brexit issue (which it is) not a nationalistic one"
What a load of tosh - Daily Express headline today is 'Selfish EU want our jabs' is not being portrayed as a Brexit issue. It is stirring up nationalist emotion in the reader.

"Reference your post immigration into the UK the point your missing is it is WE that decide"
Yes, and we are deciding to be poorer. Great decision. We are decreasing immigration from the one area which brings us in tax receipts.

[WBA123]

I’m not saying that Boris hasn’t made mistakes, he has, some of them very bad ones but the point that I was making is that it is not possible to say that others wouldn’t have made mistakes. Don’t forget that had Boris lost the election to Labour, it would be Corbin making the decisions now and nobody in their right mind would imagine that good old Jeremy would be more competent than Boris! At this juncture, I must point out that I didn’t vote Tory in the last election, so I am not a Boris disciple. Nobody has had any experience of dealing with such a medical emergency for 100 years, not since the ‘Spanish’ flu of 1918/19. Some mistakes were inevitable and back to the Chinese, if they had acted promptly and responsibly, then the worldwide pandemic might, just might, have been avoided. So criticise the government if you wish and I repeat that mishaps been made, but remember the culpability of the Chinese.

I guess its all hypothetical, I too didn't vote Tory or Labour. But I believe Corbyn would have been better than Boris at handling this. Its a shame Labour didn't have someone in power who was electable at the last election, had they have then maybe the Tories wouldn't have strolled to a huge majority.

[kettering_baggie]

I guess its all hypothetical, I too didn't vote Tory or Labour. But I believe Corbyn would have been better than Boris at handling this. Its a shame Labour didn't have someone in power who was electable at the last election, had they have then maybe the Tories wouldn't have strolled to a huge majority.

In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes made by the government was the failure to implement an effective’Test and Trace’ system. Instead of giving the contract for that ***** exercise to people with medical experience it was awarded to companies run by Tory cronies and headed up by Dildo Harding, wife of a Tory MP and a close friend of Matt Hancock. An appalling decision. Politicians, though, are what they are and it is quite likely that a different government would also be prone to cronyism. A sad state of affairs.

[boingy]

And now the EU still trying to bully us and threatening legal action over the Oxford vaccine because they were too slow to order (3 months after us) and they have only just accepted it and have yet to license it. Talk about how slow the EU have been over Covid. We are separate now so they have to come to Britain to sort it with our law system. They can’t tell us what to do anymore. They STILL don’t get it.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

'Another remain lie'
Is me having a conversation with a German guy about the reporting of this in the press in Germany...

Reporting what A European (it's half the number it was 10 mins ago) says as a fact and then repeating it disingenuos at the least

"This nothing to do with the UK govt it's Astra Zenica and the EU"
Correct, this is the point I'm trying to make

It was you who posted 'ts a national dogfight between the UK and the EU.'

"In our press I think it's being portrayed as a Brexit issue (which it is) not a nationalistic one"
What a load of tosh - Daily Express headline today is 'Selfish EU want our jabs' is not being portrayed as a Brexit issue. It is stirring up nationalist emotion in the reader.
So your the one who reads The Daily Express. I had you down as a Mail reader

"Reference your post immigration into the UK the point your missing is it is WE that decide"
Yes, and we are deciding to be poore Mail readerr. Great decision. We are decreasing immigration from the one area which brings us in tax receipts.

I reckon if I posted that European immigration made us richer and non Europeans made us richer I'd have Remainers all claiming I was typical Brexit voting racist racist

[wbaliquidator]

Oh dear!
When will it all end.
Yes the news and journalism. Gone are the days when it was just a simple matter of Who, How, What When was the question. Now there is a narrative to start with and the report is then tailored to that narrative. It’s now called a “Story” from whomever BBC/ITV or even worse those Rags they call newspapers. Sensationalism, biased yes all of them.

Then there are those who choose to follow a doctrine, cult, ideology, religion etc and view the world from one viewpoint. Many on here do . 123 sees the world through a left wing lens, always distilling facts that suit his ideology with opposition to any Tory policy for the sake of it. But equally many others have bias at the other spectrum. Yes I’ve seen the posts on here.

Deviating somewhat but the real issues are much bigger than political extremes.

BUT let’s look at the real problem here
World Population is the biggest issue. Saw a report the other day of some unfortunate Covid fatality in East End who had 9 Kids and 28 grandchildren and counting . Honestly this has to stop. Some religious groups still encourage this and it has to stop, its unsustainable.

Encroaching on others species habitats and close contact. Those “Wet” markets have no place in a forward looking society. China, their influence is becoming pernicious. Little respect for human life and none for the animal kingdom