Derby to stop taking the knee.....

[MadAmster]

Didn't she explain that something made Kate cry and/or be upset? Soething to do with dresses for the wedding? .... it was Kate being upset that upset Meghan.

On another point, it's Harry himself who saw what happened to his mother, happening all over again in the tabloids. He didn't want that for his wife. Well worth aplaudit or 2 IMO.

George Floyd is, indeed, not the best of role models. He did not, however, deserve to die on camera with a cops knee on his neck for way too long. There were lots of cops around and the cop was not in any danger.

[Trickytreesreds]

Didn't she explain that something made Kate cry and/or be upset? Soething to do with dresses for the wedding? .... it was Kate being upset that upset Meghan.

On another point, it's Harry himself who saw what happened to his mother, happening all over again in the tabloids. He didn't want that for his wife. Well worth aplaudit or 2 IMO.

George Floyd is, indeed, not the best of role models. He did not, however, deserve to die on camera with a cops knee on his neck for way too long. There were lots of cops around and the cop was not in any danger.

1. Yes it was over a bridesmaids dress. Suddenly whinge has flipped it.
2. He didn't die on camera. Not defending American policing here in any way. Not the right thing to do for sure, with that knee,
However, he was a known violent criminal and was off his face on drugs Fentanyl, which later caused his death in custody.
But the kneeling suited the murder agenda and skewed the BLM movement into it's rage.
I'm sure in this cops trial, he will admit what he did was way wrong, but it's like asking a soldier who pulled a trigger after an event.

But in politics, racism is a powerful card to play.

[GUNTERYY36]

Didn't she explain that something made Kate cry and/or be upset? Soething to do with dresses for the wedding? .... it was Kate being upset that upset Meghan.

On another point, it's Harry himself who saw what happened to his mother, happening all over again in the tabloids. He didn't want that for his wife. Well worth aplaudit or 2 IMO.

George Floyd is, indeed, not the best of role models. He did not, however, deserve to die on camera with a cops knee on his neck for way too long. There were lots of cops around and the cop was not in any danger.

GF lived by the sword and died by the sword. The world is a better place without him.

[MadAmster]

GF lived by the sword and died by the sword. The world is a better place without him.

Not doubting that last bit at all Gunt. I do, however, believe that the 8 minutes and 46 secinds was way too long and wouldn't have happened if he'd been white. It is pure coincidence that the "straw that appeared to break the camel's back" was a career criminal. Despite all of the Laws they have in the US, the non-white community is treated as 2nd or even 3rd class citizens. The police need to drastically change the way they work. One US police department went so far as to bring in new people friendly/empathetic working practices and then got the entire department to apply for their own jobs. Those incapable or unwilling to change simply lost their jobs and they hored new cops who could follow the new path. It's a roaring success. People and police get on well and crime rates have dropped quite a lot. I have no idea why the rest of the US doesn't follow suit but I think they should.

[ramAnag]

I do, however, believe that the 8 minutes and 46 secinds was way too long and wouldn't have happened if he'd been white. It is pure coincidence that the "straw that appeared to break the camel's back" was a career criminal. Despite all of the Laws they have in the US, the non-white community is treated as 2nd or even 3rd class citizens. The police need to drastically change the way they work.

‘Nutshell’ time. Well said, MA.

[Andy_Faber]

‘Nutshell’ time. Well said, MA.

Although, and this isn't picking on you rA, I was writing this anyway: Isn't it strange that the thread concerns a British activity yet we are fixated on what's occurred and is occurring in USA

[ramAnag]

You seem to have missed the points, Mr. T.

It’s a tad hypocritical of you to bang on about alleged Royal racism as having no proof/evidence while being happy to comment on George Floyd without proof or evidence.

You described GF taking Fentanyl as the cause of death. Along with the other factors you mention they may have been contributory factors though they were not likely to be as significant as having someone kneeling on your neck for upwards of eight minutes.

For about the fifth time...no one has described GF as a ‘hero’.

There is a huge difference between the ‘instinctive’ and split second reactive pulling of a trigger and the totally premeditated action of kneeling on someone’s neck for in excess of eight minutes. You really need to recognise that.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Whilst I dont think anyone here has made out GF to be a hero, he has been nominated for Donald Trump's (how ironic is that) statue "Garden of Heroes" in the USA: an accolade that, I feel confident in saying, he would not have been considered for were he still alive.

Mourn him but do not idolize him. He was a career criminal / drug dealer, but let's not forget that the police officer had had 18 complaints recorded against him with MPD Internal Affairs. Neither should be considered role models, but one has become a "poster boy" for a movement. Is that wrong? Perhaps history will judge.

Lets face it Nelson Mandela is considered a hero by billions of people, yet he had a rap sheet probably longer than George Floyd's. He did however have the opportunity to "change for the good", an opportunity not afforded to Floyd

[ramAnag]

Whilst I dont think anyone here has made out GF to be a hero, he has been nominated for Donald Trump's (how ironic is that) statue "Garden of Heroes" in the USA: an accolade that, I feel confident in saying, he would not have been considered for were he still alive.

Mourn him but do not idolize him. He was a career criminal / drug dealer, but let's not forget that the police officer had had 18 complaints recorded against him with MPD Internal Affairs. Neither should be considered role models, but one has become a "poster boy" for a movement. Is that wrong? Perhaps history will judge.

Lets face it Nelson Mandela is considered a hero by billions of people, yet he had a rap sheet probably longer than George Floyd's. He did however have the opportunity to "change for the good", an opportunity not afforded to Floyd

All fair points, but perhaps inadvertently you have taken us back to the initial targets of the BLM protests...the statues dedicated to a variety of colonialists and slave traders etc.
Were they not the ‘poster boy’ equivalents of their time? ‘History’ came along to judge but, as I recall, you and those much further to the Right didn’t much care for the verdict.

[Andy_Faber]

All fair points, but perhaps inadvertently you have taken us back to the initial targets of the BLM protests...the statues dedicated to a variety of colonialists and slave traders etc.
Were they not the ‘poster boy’ equivalents of their time? ‘History’ came along to judge but, as I recall, you and those much further to the Right didn’t much care for the verdict.

the 'slight' difference being that (some of) those protesting aganst said colonialists are quite happy to buy/shoplift from shops that suppress their retail prices by the use of 'slave labour', much of which labour (and ironically much of the fortunes made) come from their own demographic. Slavery/exploitation knows no colour IMO but that, to quote TTR (I'm sure he's said this) doesn't fit 'the agenda'. YES, I do check as much as possible the source of the clothes I wear, right down to my Harris Tweed underwear

Edit: and the protestor's UK role model, who openly encouraged the BAME (I think he actually meant black) people to buy from BAME shops at the same time swallowed his principles enough to take massive sponsorship from non-BAME commercial enterprises

There are no clean hands