Boos Ring Out Today - Taking The Knee

[baggieal]

Scotland already confirmed they will be taking the knee on Friday, not sure how your opinion on Mings' ability as a player is relevant to him voicing his opinion which like you he is entitled to do. I don't like it either but respect his right to do it as an individual, I feel players should take a different position in support of equality in order to sever the connection with BLM.

Evening WCV. Mings has every right to take the knee but should equally respect those who disapprove by booing! He or others can’t have their cake and eat it!

Absolutely pathetic that Scotland will take the knee but yesterday they chose not to do so! Is this some kind of pressure? Southgate has received stick too - he should have just said
if players want to take the knee then that’s fine and equally those who choose to boo that’s up to them! Southgate has effectively distanced himself from those who disapprove which was not smart! He’s a useless manager anyway and achieved nothing managing at club level!

Not seen any other European sides take the knee and this country is the most tolerant to every individual whatever they may be or stand for!

As Patel said - it’s gesture politics and worse - it’s doing more harm than good. There are so many other ways of getting the message across to be united against racism!

My view also is players should be banned from going on social media! Yes some players will get racial comments which is disgraceful but nobody will get 100% comments about how fantastic they are which is what they want. How does Katie Price feel on social media to receive obscene comments about her adorable son Harvey? How do socialites or models feel when they receive obscene comments which are s exist!

How does the lineswoman Sian Massey feel in the Premier League when hundreds of supporters are singing - get your t its out for the lads? Probably far worse than a black player receiving abuse who is most likely on 100 times what she earns for doing the line!!!

But hey tut tut - some individuals feel so hard done by!

[westcountryvillain]

My view also is players should be banned from going on social media! Yes some players will get racial comments which is disgraceful but nobody will get 100% comments about how fantastic they are which is what they want. How does Katie Price feel on social media to receive obscene comments about her adorable son Harvey? How do socialites or models feel when they receive obscene comments which are s exist!

How does the lineswoman Sian Massey feel in the Premier League when hundreds of supporters are singing - get your t its out for the lads? Probably far worse than a black player receiving abuse who is most likely on 100 times what she earns for doing the line!!!

But hey tut tut - some individuals feel so hard done by!

Come off it Al, anyone with half a brain knows that when they post anything on social media they are opening themselves up to criticism as well as support. It tends to self moderate when neanderthals post hateful comments anyway. Katie Price is an interesting one, to me she seems to crave attention and is prepared to suffer the disgusting comments on her son in order to satisfy her need to be relevant. She's a tough cookie and takes no sh1t which I admire her for.

Is Mings really disrespecting those that boo by saying he doesn't agree with them or just expressing his opinion.

[baggieal]

Come off it Al, anyone with half a brain knows that when they post anything on social media they are opening themselves up to criticism as well as support. It tends to self moderate when neanderthals post hateful comments anyway. Katie Price is an interesting one, to me she seems to crave attention and is prepared to suffer the disgusting comments on her son in order to satisfy her need to be relevant. She's a tough cookie and takes no sh1t which I admire her for.

Is Mings really disrespecting those that boo by saying he doesn't agree with them or just expressing his opinion.

That’s my point WCV - players should be banned from social media as it’s a distraction and as mentioned - players don’t like the disgusting few comments they receive. That was my point if you open yourself up to Social
Media you have to accept the bad. I am sure some gays get some disgusting comments but hey - if you can’t take it then don’t go on it!

Mings really should do the same as what Southgate should have done. The smart and diplomatic response - I want to take the knee so respect my view! If some disagree with taking the knee or boo - then that’s their call!

Many won’t agree with taking the knee but would perhaps respect it more if the reply was - do whatever you are happy doing. To say all those who boo are uneducated or racist is a shocking comment. Whilst I don’t like supporters who boo our own players who are poor - for God sake it’s their right as they have paid good money. Every person is different!

[Leicesterbaggie]

Personally, I would prefer it if players didn't take the knee for reasons that I have previously stated, but if they wish to they have every right to do so. On the other side of the coin, if a player doesn't want to take the knee he also has the right not to do so. A whole team having to take the knee because that is the instruction issued just isn't democratic.

[baggieal]

His footballing ability is completely irrelevant. As for gesture politics, what do you think the booing is? Time and again you contradict yourself and still haven't given any insight as to why you think the way you do, other than being entitled to an opinion and that politics has no place in sport. Is that it? Like it or not, politics and sport are intertwined. Don't watch sport if you think politics has no place in it because like it or not, they are hand in glove.

As for Sian Massey, how do you know how she feels about it? And why, just because players are rich, would they be impervious to racism? Are you that shallow? Does money deflect prejudice?

I've asked you repeated questions on this subject and you've ignored them all which can only mean one thing....you're utterly clueless. So yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but as i've stated before don't abuse the right to have it by spouting off stuff with no depth or thought, just cliches.

Here is your logic....you're angry about people brining to light issues of equality, even though there is NO evidence of any malevolent intentions. You want politics to have no place in sport, well the treatment of migrant workers in Qatar who are prepping the infrastructure for the tournament is political. Foreign investors in clubs, especially Chinese ones, is political. Betting companies providing sponsorship is political. The hosting of tournaments is political. I could go on for a lot longer, but i don't need to patronise you any further as i've proven my point, unless you want me to explain why they're political.

Ultimately, continue to boo all you like, if that's the release for all of the hostility in your heart, well I suppose it's better than physical violence, but after all I've said, in this and the multiple other posts..... about politics in sport, about BLM clearly not being a racist outfit, about a leftish threat being virtually non-existent, all of which I've evidenced......even if after all that, you STILL continue to spew illogical conclusions, then you're a lost cause.

You really are a tool but hey ISIL were born out of the Iraq war in your opinion. When were Hamas created - in the recent Israel conflict?😂

As for knowing how Sian Massey feels - now let me think!!! Do woman like men screaming at them to get their t its out? Baggie Sharon might want to answer that one! The sick obscene remarks to Sian Massey are as bad as any racist remarks. Both are disgusting and some would say its worse those aimed at a female!

I have not answered your questions because it’s hard to read the dribble you spout!

Now let me think - you are negative about the views of almost every poster - you tell one of our best posters Swedish to f uck off and you are still giving it large. As Mick said - what’s your agenda?

My view is Priti Patel is doing a good job and Rishi will be the next PM. Any negative comments about them and you will deem that racist!

Any murder is shocking but Floyd was a drug dealing thug and had a criminal record but he’s made out to be a martyr. Shocking the three in a Reading park ( one a bright teacher ) who were stabbed to death by a deranged asylum seeker hardly received a days news coverage. Why?

Tomorrow whilst taking the knee should be shelved - respect to those who want to do it, but there should be no pressure on those who don’t and hey those who boo have every right to do so too!

Going back to Sian Massey - how do I know how she feels! Only a sad person would make such a remark! Maybe ask your wife how she would feel if someone screamed get your t its out for the lads to her!!!

Think it will be 3-0 tomorrow to us! Any thoughts or agenda😎

[soulman101]

What gets overlooked with George Floyd was that the cop had previous with him from the past after working together as doormen.
Would he had done the same to a white bloke, he think he would have.

[OWV]

You really are a tool but hey ISIL were born out of the Iraq war in your opinion. When were Hamas created - in the recent Israel conflict?😂

As for knowing how Sian Massey feels - now let me think!!! Do woman like men screaming at them to get their t its out? Baggie Sharon might want to answer that one! The sick obscene remarks to Sian Massey are as bad as any racist remarks. Both are disgusting and some would say its worse those aimed at a female!

I have not answered your questions because it’s hard to read the dribble you spout!

Now let me think - you are negative about the views of almost every poster - you tell one of our best posters Swedish to f uck off and you are still giving it large. As Mick said - what’s your agenda?

My view is Priti Patel is doing a good job and Rishi will be the next PM. Any negative comments about them and you will deem that racist!

Any murder is shocking but Floyd was a drug dealing thug and had a criminal record but he’s made out to be a martyr. Shocking the three in a Reading park ( one a bright teacher ) who were stabbed to death by a deranged asylum seeker hardly received a days news coverage. Why?

Tomorrow whilst taking the knee should be shelved - respect to those who want to do it, but there should be no pressure on those who don’t and hey those who boo have every right to do so too!

Going back to Sian Massey - how do I know how she feels! Only a sad person would make such a remark! Maybe ask your wife how she would feel if someone screamed get your t its out for the lads to her!!!

Think it will be 3-0 tomorrow to us! Any thoughts or agenda😎

Ah so you didn't read the link I posted regarding ISIS?

[OWV]

What gets overlooked with George Floyd was that the cop had previous with him from the past after working together as doormen.
Would he had done the same to a white bloke, he think he would have.

What? What does pure speculation have to do with it?

[soulman101]

What? What does pure speculation have to do with it?

Hi, My view on it, is that I have no idea if he was a racist.
But my view he was a loose cannon and not fit to wear the uniform and had a lot of previous complaints against him.

[OWV]

You really are a tool but hey ISIL were born out of the Iraq war in your opinion. When were Hamas created - in the recent Israel conflict?😂

As for knowing how Sian Massey feels - now let me think!!! Do woman like men screaming at them to get their t its out? Baggie Sharon might want to answer that one! The sick obscene remarks to Sian Massey are as bad as any racist remarks. Both are disgusting and some would say its worse those aimed at a female!

I have not answered your questions because it’s hard to read the dribble you spout!

Now let me think - you are negative about the views of almost every poster - you tell one of our best posters Swedish to f uck off and you are still giving it large. As Mick said - what’s your agenda?

My view is Priti Patel is doing a good job and Rishi will be the next PM. Any negative comments about them and you will deem that racist!

Any murder is shocking but Floyd was a drug dealing thug and had a criminal record but he’s made out to be a martyr. Shocking the three in a Reading park ( one a bright teacher ) who were stabbed to death by a deranged asylum seeker hardly received a days news coverage. Why?

Tomorrow whilst taking the knee should be shelved - respect to those who want to do it, but there should be no pressure on those who don’t and hey those who boo have every right to do so too!

Going back to Sian Massey - how do I know how she feels! Only a sad person would make such a remark! Maybe ask your wife how she would feel if someone screamed get your t its out for the lads to her!!!

Think it will be 3-0 tomorrow to us! Any thoughts or agenda😎

Fella, you're actually beyond laughable now. You've become a parody of yourself. I've asked you several very easy straightforward questions and you're claiming they're hard to decipher. Absolutely bizarre. If you've had difficulty understanding them, then that's on you, I've made them very simple. If you can't decipher the question of "how has taking the knee affected your life negatively", then you may have some learning difficulties.

I'm sure Swedish Baggie is big enough to fight his own battles btw.

Back to Sian Massey, unless you know her, why do you keep referencing her and how she would feel about ***ist abuse? Do you know her? Or is that a tough question too? The question at hand concerns racial abuse, not ***ism. I'm happy to discuss that but it's not the subject matter, which by the way you started. If you've witnessed her suffer ***ist abuse, have you reported it? Would you boo her for standing up to it? Or would you criticise campaigns that got involved in football to stamp it out? Are they tough questions? This is what you you're not getting, one hand you're complaining about racial abuse being stood up to, but also advocating justice for victims of ***ist abuse.

I think I've done myself justice with posts to be honest, not one of you, not one has actually posted anything remotely insightful, other than Kettering Baggies at some point where he made a good point about the future of immigration. Unfortunately he went on to spoil it with another post. So call me a tool all you want, it really is pot kettle black. You've had days to present a coherent argument but constantly push the same shallow clichés that highlight the sheer lack of knowledge you have on the subject. If you're going to attempt to appear more enlightened on the issues we've discussed, let's see some depth to your argument, instead of the rehashed, poorly thought out rhetoric you've offered so far.

Back to Floyd briefly, it's not about martyrdom, stop kidding yourself and believing your own nonsense. He's dead, he didn't make himself a martyr after death did he? He wasn't even here. So attacking his character is entirely wrong and again seeks to justify the killing. Its actually worrying that people think that way. If you have an issue with what's been said about him after his death, take that up with the people saying those things, don't attack his character as he nothing to do with it as he was dead.
The issue was with police brutality and the chasm between the law and the Black community in the States, which many people here also recognise. Like I've said before, if you can't empathise with that, either educate yourself or don't comment on it. It's not a binary issue, where you can think that what Derek Chauvin did was anything other than straight up murder. Hence his sentence.

As for Priri, yet again, no insight, you just put "she's doing a good job". Why? Give us some explanation. And why would I call you racist? I haven't called you that, I actually called you ignorant in another post.

How am I negative about all the posters? I've disagreed with points made and challenged ignorance. Why should I have to explain my agenda to you or anyone else? I've addressed that, if you don't know how a forum works and what a platform for discussion is then again, that's on you. Just because I disagree with you, why does that mean I have an agenda? And yet elsewhere here there are comments about a Liberal dictatorship trying to censor opinions that don't match. Which is highly ironic given that I've been asked 3 times now what my agenda is for having the gall to disagree with established posters in this echo chamber.

So, I'll end it with another question, if there was a campaign to drive ***ism out of football and Sian Massey took the knee. Would you boo her?